New challenge: earliest possible UHVs

How about it doesn't matter how often you reload. The challenge is to get the earliest date, not to be the purest player in getting an early date. I am reading this thread and I admire the achievements of the victors, but that is always tempered with the knowledge that a more favourable RNG would have changed their date marginally. One may as well accept this and optimise.

We were talking about a different challenge, the challenge to get the highest UHV score for each civ. While there is no big difference for timing matters, there certainly is a big difference for score, at least for the civs that require timing and quick wars. Especially Carthage is all about getting the right combat outcomes, which is a factor that we could eliminate, or weaken by the rule of reloading.

By the way, should we allow squatting?
 
FYI, Netherlands and America also require improvements in the latest patch.
Oh, I remember reading a strategy guide for the Dutch which said you only needed the spices in your cultural border... I suppose that was an old guide. Thanks for the information.
 
Oh, I remember reading a strategy guide for the Dutch which said you only needed the dyes in your cultural border... I suppose that was an old guide. Thanks for the information.
*Spices.

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Just finished a Portuguese 3000 B.C.E. UHV game with a VV of 1645 C.E. Settled Lisbon as my capital and sent two pikemen out to open borders with as many civilizations as possible. Since it was the 3000 B.C.E. start I had three extra civilizations close to me who I could open borders with, Carthage, Rome, and Greece, this was slightly easier. I paid each civilization ten gold or sometimes a tech to make them pleased with me. My second settler I settled in North Africa too get a head start on my UHV. After that I teched strait for optics. The rest of the game I made settlers in my first two cities. The game was not particularly rewarding, only my first two cities were remotely developed, all the others were just drains on my economy. I saved the last six or so cities to be settled all at once near the end. I also gifted two of my Brazil cities to the Incans. The two pikemen I used to explore Eastern Asia. I am sure somebody can beat this VV, as I was only able to beat the previous record by one turn.
 

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huh? what does that mean, I've stopped like 5 times in my America game, does that mean I can't submit (I started as England and set-up my America)

Reloading does not mean loading. If you saved your game to attend some business and continued -- it's normal. That's why this feature does exist in the game. Definitely not to prepare for sneak attack by AI, not to prevent respawning and not to kill the Impi after failing to do so with 80% odds. Personally I am amazed how deep this habit sits in peoples mind. I thought only 18 year olds (no offense) and new players can't resist that urge. If you did mistake -- so what? Think about civ like history -- no leader was able to avoid stupid mistakes. In my Mali game barbs captured Timbuktu -- so what? That's life. Try to make it up. Time does not propagate backwards. Period.
 
Tigranes, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are not going to have the final say on this matter.

I'm not stopping you from playing any way you like. But if I made a mistake, by misclicking end of turn or whatever, I'm not going to waste two weeks of my gaming time by screwing my shot at a best UHV result.

I'll thank you to take the time now to simply consider your point of view, be content that they way you choose to spend your gaming time is your own personal choice. Then perhaps think about trying not to dictate any terms to others, or tell them how (you think) they should be spending their gaming time.

This aspect of discussion in this thread is now closed. This thread is for posting results of best achieved UHV results.

Please do not continue to post your point of view on reloading of games here.
 
My next attempt at the Egypt UHV. Somehow I forgot to go straight to the Malian goody hut (which turned out to be only ~30 gold), and got a map and ~50 gold on the other huts in Africa. EDIT: Okay, there is a fourth... Oh well. I doubt it would make a difference though, since my research was high enough to build the GLibrary before the GLighthouse. I don't know if I could do much better, with the possible exception that I whipped the second work boat 3 turns later than possible, or a better switch between CS and Slavery.
 

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I'm not expecting you to count it, because I'm playing Warlords (So RFC version 1.484 or something), but got a Egypt VV of 385 BC. I recently changed my game so Stonehenge now has the BtS effect, unlocking all Labor civics, rather than Religion civics as it was in Warlords.
Research order was Mysticism - Masonry - Pottery - Writing - Math - Polytheism - Alphabet (bulb) - Literature. Traded with Rome, Carthage and Babylon for some early techs. (Getting BW is ideal, but I didn't, so my time could be beaten)
Built Siwa 2 NW of start, and later settled Paraitonion 2 NW of that.
I built Stonehenge early for CS, and popped a GS to bulb Alphabet, and then a GA for a culture bomb. Also got a GE later on, which I used for the GW. I actually could have founded Confucianism with the GS, but as noted, I saved it for Alphabet.
I switched back to slavery when I was building the Great Lighthouse and Great Library, and saved a few turns with that.
First screenshot is proof that I built the Pyramids.
Second screenshot puts a date on when I built the Great Library (and Great Lighthouse).
Third screenshot is proof that I have 5000+ culture when I built the Great Library.
Fourth and fifth are proof that I won the game.
 

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I think it's doubtful. I don't have anything against it, but it's up to blizzrd to decide. The thing is, in Warlords you don't have to research Aesthetics, which is ~10 turns of research on Monarch. Perhaps the best solution is to make a notification of the victory between parentheses.
 
Just finished a 3000 B.C.E. China game. My core cities were Beijing, Shanghai, Shanshan, Hancheng, and Luoyang. The three other cities I built for the UHV were Chongjin one tile to the east of the mountain in Korea, Guangzhou three tiles to the west of the forest in Taiwan, and Kunming four tiles to the west of Guangzhou. My research order was sort of haphazard, since stabilizing my economy enough for eight cities was my a bigger worry of mine then getting the necessary techs in time. In general however I got the initial resource techs and semi gunned for the religious techs. I did not bother getting priesthood as you do not need monasteries for the UHV, I switched to the civic Organized Religion which, along with getting the production bonus allowed me to make missionaries without monasteries. For the majority of the beginning of the game, continuing until I was done making pagodas and academies, I chopped whipped important buildings. This easily converts the fertile land of China into extremely productive land. After the first UHV, I prepared for the arrival of the Mongols by making War Elephants, I vassalized Khmer for the elephants. I had about nine elephants by the time the Mongols spawned. I reached their city on the third turn, but the Mongols had left the city only with a longbowmen and a few settlers. I razed the city and the Mongols were no longer a threat. Prior to this I had also built the Great Wall. The Great Wall allowed me to be lax on my military in the beginning, to focus more on infrastructure and the first UHV. With the Great Wall and no Mongols I easily achieved the second UHV. After killing the Mongols I then went on to mass producing pikemen. In the end I had about 112 of them, along with some warriors, cho-ko-nu, spearmen, and war elephants. One very interesting thing happened in the Western World. At the beginning of the game I had sent my warrior to Europe to tech trade with the Greeks, Romans, and Carthage. After that I just left him there to keep in contact. Eventually Rome collapsed and a few turns later I checked out Europe. Rome was completely undefended! I decided to take it, for the wonders and the novelty. Rome was renamed to Daqin. I did my research and apparently that is the name the Chinese gave to the Roman Empire. It literally means Great Qin, Qin being the first dynasty of China. This is why your mod is so great Rhye, you put a ton of effort and research into it.
 

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I think it's doubtful. I don't have anything against it, but it's up to blizzrd to decide. The thing is, in Warlords you don't have to research Aesthetics, which is ~10 turns of research on Monarch. Perhaps the best solution is to make a notification of the victory between parentheses.
Yea, I just thought I'd throw it out there. I don't really care if it's put in the first post or not. If I were to defend myself though, I would argue that you would be able to trade for Aesthetics. Though that's simply a guess.
 
Just finished a 3000 B.C.E. Khmer game. I wanted to play the game without doing the caravel chain, there is a quicker way. Therefor I loaded up the game until the start up was favorable. The first time I loaded it I was trapped between a very strong India and a very strong China. Along with that Pagan had been destroyed. So I loaded it up a second time and got a much more favorable start up. India had collapsed, with two of their cities independent, Dilli and Lahore. Pagan was independent and China was still around, it is important to have China. I settled Bang Makok on the sugar, Hanoi four squares north, and Jayakarta. Later on I settled Hariharalaya near Russia. This was important to make sure nothing happened to me road, and it was a good city to produce missionaries and send to Europe. In fact by the end of the game it was my best production city. The location is a bit South East of Russia with iron to its North and wheat to its West. For the record I did not come up with this city idea. It was TDK's and you can see his strategy on page seven or eight of this thread. I then captured Dilli and Lahore. Dilli of course is important because it is the Holy City for Buddhism, important for the economy. Luckily the Mahabodhi was already built there, it then soon generated a Great Prophet which I used to build the Kashi Vishwanath. Persia was mostly Hindi so it helped my economy even more. My civics were Slavery and Hereditary Rule and I never got around to changing them. This is because the only reason I would change them would be for Pacifism and Caste System. However neither of these were useful for converting people to Buddhism. Pacifism would require me to get a state religion and then be on negative terms with pretty much everybody else, and I never got around to getting Caste System as I stole Feudalism rather late from Arabia. Anyways, since there is no Silk Road in the 3000 B.C.E. start I decided to create a new road. This road would go from Indonesia to India, only needed one more square of road to complete, India to Persia, was already built, and Persia to Russia. So I sent two formerly independent workers to build the road. With Engineering I was able to send a missionary from Bang Makok to Moscow in six turns, I do not know the amount of turns using the silk road though so I can not compare. Neither China nor Persia had Engineering so I had to research it myself. I got Drama at around 1200 C.E. and immediately whipped theaters in all of my cities. I was able to produce two Great Artists, since I did not have Pacifism. I settled one in Jayakarta and one in Dilli. The rest of the culture was just culture gained over time, the majority of it coming from Dilli. I have no idea how to show the culture of every city at once so I will just list the cities and their culture at the bottom, by 1430 I had a total of 12060. I achieved thirty percent Buddhism by 1405, and average population of twelve by 1420, my culture UHV requirement can easily be improved, which of course was 1430. The UHV is posted below along with the Buddhism proof and population proof.

Culture in cities: Jayakarta-4560, Bang Makok-842, Pagan-133, Hanoi-405, Dilli-5630, Lahore-430, Hariharalaya-60. = 12060 culture. If someone can come up with an easy way for me to prove it, i.e. one screenshot, then I will post that.

Edition: I forgot to mention who I spread Buddhism to. First I spread to all of China and the major cities of Persia. Then I was able to convert Japan after Buddhism spread to their capital be random chance. After that I spread Buddhism to Russia, Germany, and The Netherlands.
 

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Yea, I just thought I'd throw it out there. I don't really care if it's put in the first post or not. If I were to defend myself though, I would argue that you would be able to trade for Aesthetics. Though that's simply a guess.

The OP is clear, this thread is for BTS. BTW, have you got anything inparticular against purchasing BTS? It is cheap as chips nowadays in stores...

@Zagoroth: :goodjob: on your recent games. Perhaps could you consider breaking up your posts with some paragraphs? They are a bit hard to read sometimes as one big paragraph.
 
The OP is clear, this thread is for BTS. BTW, have you got anything inparticular against purchasing BTS? It is cheap as chips nowadays in stores...
Okay then, but if I happen to somehow "beat" anyone else's time here, I hope you don't mind if I post it. Like this time, I wouldn't be expecting it to be put in the OP, but I would post it as something I just want to share. Who knows, one of you could use some elements of a strategy I post and get an earlier date.
And I don't play that much Civ any more, and I don't really have any money of my own that I can use. (...Silly parents. :p)
 
@Zagoroth: :goodjob: on your recent games. Perhaps could you consider breaking up your posts with some paragraphs? They are a bit hard to read sometimes as one big paragraph.

Thank you! What happens is that I usually try to only write a few sentences, but then get carried away in describing everything in the hopes it will either help someone get a better time or someone will have advice to give. I guess I can break up, hopefully, future posts by things I did in sequential order. That might make my posts also easier to understand.
 
Okay then, but if I happen to somehow "beat" anyone else's time here, I hope you don't mind if I post it.
Yes, your discussion for Warlords is still welcome in this thread. It just won't end up on the OP.

And I don't play that much Civ any more, and I don't really have any money of my own that I can use. (...Silly parents. :p)

Well, the cost has come down in my local store to now be only 20% of the original release price (although that was some years ago now).
 
Just completed an Indian UHV game. Instead of settling on the default position I settled Lahore as my capital, one square north of the marble. This city has respectable growth, but more importantly the marble provided a little extra commerce to research the religion techs in time.

However that is the big issue with India. If you go strait for Judaism, i.e. research Masonry, Polytheism, then Monotheism, chances are China will research Meditation and will found Hinduism. If you gun for your required religions, Buddhism and Hinduism, chances are you will lose Judaism to Jerusalem. Also there is the chance that if you do not research Priesthood in time, Greece will beat you to it and found Buddhism. So I made my research order, Masonry for marble and prerequisite for Monotheism, Polytheism as another prerequisite, I then switched over to Meditation to get Hinduism before Chinese, Monotheism to beat Jerusalem, and then Priesthood to luckily beat Greece. The dates were 1825 B.C.E. for Hinduism, 1425 B.C.E. for Judaism, and 1150 B.C.E. for Buddhism. These are the hard religions to found, Christianity and Islam are easy after these.

Lahore needs to build the oracle to get a free Theology. Thus you need to build the oracle after researching writing, prerequisite to Theology. I was able to found Christianity in 775 B.C.E. After that you have about one hundred turns to research or trade for Monarchy and research Divine Right. It is actually impossible to research Divine Right in time, with just researching alone it would have taken me about two hundred turns. So right after Christianity, which was founded in my second city Dilli, I built all of the Religions' temples in Lahore. I ran four priests in Lahore while staying at a population of seven. With this I was able to generate three Great Priests to bulb Divine Right. With this method I founded Islam in 590 C.E. Islam was founded in my third city Chennai. I then built two more cities. One on the eastern coast between the Elephants and sugar, and the other to the east of Dilli between to Banana resources, and others which I can not remember.

Sadly the rest of the world had a surprisingly high population, so the rest of the time spent was me catching up. On hindsight I should have built my settlers sooner, before I founded Islam, even if it would ruin my economy. As after Divine Right you do not have to research anything at all, though I did if only to get a higher score.
 

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I suggest trying for pku_west's strategy of getting the chinese religions, together with the 2 required religions and Christianity. It envolves researching writing really fast while building SH and then switching to caste system to generate a GS to bulb math. Next you'll want to build Oracle (the 2 required religions should have been founded a little before Confu). get sailing and monotheism from the other civs (Carthaginians start with sailing, mono and alphabet, so you should definetly trade with them). and then get Christianity from Oracle while Researching Calendar like mad with many scientists before the Chinese get it. Using this method I frequently get all 5 religions before 500 B.C, and getting the cities up can be done much easier with more time.
 
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