New civ linked to new resource

[cybrxkhan]

About Indonesia being the one with the unique luxury - apparently the wording of Indonesia's UA doesn't indicate that they'd be the one with a unique luxury resource, i think. So could this mean a potential Venice civ could actually get glass?

 

[Giskler]

If Indonesia's UA is tied to the new resource they would have revealed it along with the civ. Besides the UA refers to resources which is plural.

 

[Leugi]

Indeed, at first it seemed Indonesia was going to be the resource civ... but by now we get no actual new resource and the wording doesn't really imply it...

So...

Glass and Venice?
Bison and NA?
Other?

 

[turingmachine]

What wording? We haven't seen the official text yet, have we? That one YouTube video where they described the ability the journalist specifically said unique luxury.

 

[blackcatatonic]

What wording? We haven't seen the official text yet, have we? That one YouTube video where they described the ability the journalist specifically said unique luxury.

This wording:

And since a lot of you are asking, this is the exact text on the Indonesia UA:
"Spice Islanders"
"The first 3 cities founded on continents other than where Indonesia started each provide 2 unique Luxury Resources (and can never be razed)."

I goofed and said first 2 cities in the video, but it's actually 3.

It's pretty clear to me that Indonesia are not the 'unique luxury' Civ, since we know that a) a new luxury is being added, and b) the 'unique luxuries' mentioned here basically sound like Indonesia's 2nd, 3rd and 4th cities will each get 2 copies of a luxury resource not available to other Civs in that current game.

As others have said, if Indonesia were really getting a new unique luxury, why was this not named in the UA?

Glass for Venice is still my favourite theory.

 

[turingmachine]

That wording convinces me even more Indonesia is the resource civ. it specifically says unique luxury resource which is the same wording they use for city states having a unique luxury you can't get elsewhere. Plus it's easier to program a unique luxury you get every time than having it be a random luxury not in the game.

Indonesia is the resource civ.

 

[Loaf Warden]

It's pretty clear to me that Indonesia are not the 'unique luxury' Civ, since we know that a) a new luxury is being added, and b) the 'unique luxuries' mentioned here basically sound like Indonesia's 2nd, 3rd and 4th cities will each get 2 copies of a luxury resource not available to other Civs in that current game.

As others have said, if Indonesia were really getting a new unique luxury, why was this not named in the UA?

Glass for Venice is still my favourite theory.

That seems pretty tenuous. It explicitly says the Indonesian cities provide unique luxury resources. I interpret that to mean that, you know, Indonesia gets the unique resource(s).

 

[blackcatatonic]

In which case they would be adding 3 new luxury resources - not one as we were led to believe from Dennis' interview.

 

[turingmachine]

Who says multiple types of resources.

It's just plural because you get 2 not 1. Nothing in the wording indicates the different cities each Give a different type.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Where are the linguist professors of CivFanatics?

 

[Loaf Warden]

In which case they would be adding 3 new luxury resources - not one as we were led to believe from Dennis' interview.

That's not what he said. What was said was:

Kate Distler: What I really want to know about, and this is something that I've talked about on my Twitter feed, is I love finding the natural resources on the board and trying to like, you know, set up my cities so I have as much as possible. Are there any new resources in Brave New World? That we can talk about?

Dennis Shirk: There are, but we can't talk about it yet, because it's directly related to one of the other new civs that we're also not talking about yet.

Kate: Well, you heard it here first. There's new resources. It's happening.

Dennis: Oh, sorry, did that not come through? There are, but only as it relates to another specific civilization in the game that we're also not talking about.

Kate: Not a problem. We can talk about things that we're not talking about. So, there will be resources, of some kind.

From what he said, there could be more than one resource. They might just all be specific resources from the Spice Islands. I know it's weird to think of Nutmeg and Cloves as being specific resources when "Spices" is already a generic resource. But there's nothing he said that rules it out.

 

[Syailendra]

In which case they would be adding 3 new luxury resources - not one as we were led to believe from Dennis' interview.

true, they will be clove, nutmeg, and pepper IMO

 

[SnowKomodo]

true, they will be clove, nutmeg, and pepper IMO

If this theory is true I would say clove, nutmeg and cinnamon

Edit: Wait, where does cinnamon come from?

Edit2: I meant to say mace. Clove, nutmeg, mace

 

[alpha2117]

I think it's safe to say Indonesia is the resource related civ. That does not invalidate Venice or even invalidate Glass as being a manufactured resource. Venice could have totally different abilities other than Glass or have Glass as a replacement for Workshops without that being a resource as such - it could just be something that increases the value of trade routes or gold production. I think people had convinced themselves over "Glass" and if Indonesia is the resource civ hey think Venice collapes as a theory but it doesn't.

 

[Loaf Warden]

Clove, nutmeg, and mace would be my guess, if it is in fact three different resources. They would all fit as a unique resource for Indonesia. (Generic "Spices" notwithstanding.)

"Spice Islands". Man, this is better than I imagined. I'm getting really, really excited about Indonesia. . . .

 

[cybrxkhan]

Hmm... Having the different varieties of spices might work, although it wouldn't make sense for me if the spices resource is still there. I could see it, though, but then I'd wonder why they didn't just put the names of the resources in the UA description to begin with.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Clove, nutmeg, and mace would be my guess, if it is in fact three different resources. They would all fit as a unique resource for Indonesia. (Generic "Spices" notwithstanding.)

"Spice Islands". Man, this is better than I imagined. I'm getting really, really excited about Indonesia. . . .

Wait, does that mean you get happiness for each one?

Seems odd when they already have Spices as a resource

 

[blackcatatonic]

That's not what he said. What was said was:



From what he said, there could be more than one resource. They might just all be specific resources from the Spice Islands. I know it's weird to think of Nutmeg and Cloves as being specific resources when "Spices" is already a generic resource. But there's nothing he said that rules it out.

Thanks for the clarification. That does change my slant on the situation somewhat. For some reason I had understood that there would only be one new resource.

Reading that though, I do get the impression that only one new Civ will have new resources. If Indonesia is that Civ, then presumably Venice is not. Hopefully I'm wrong though, as I was becoming quite attached to the Glass Workshop idea.

 

[Hyperion529]

mace comes from the same tree as nutmeg, i doubt they would include both

 

[blackcatatonic]

If this theory is true I would say clove, nutmeg and cinnamon

Edit: Wait, where does cinnamon come from?

Edit2: I meant to say mace. Clove, nutmeg, mace

Cinnamon ssys Sri Lanka to me - but then I am half-Sri Lankan.

Like cybrxkhan I am wondering why they didn't name the unique luxuries in the UA.