Dolemitetornado
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I know there's already a thread for new civs, but it's gotten a bit unweidly, so I thought I'd start a new one, especially to consolidate the ideas on new civs. From what I've read several names keep coming up, and I hope the Civ4 folks take notice, becuase I believe the following are both supported by suugestions from the community as well as having good historical logic behind them.
1) Ethiopia/Abyssinia- These guys have been around as long as anyone, the Ethiopian highlands have always nutured a distinct civilization that continues right up to the present day. I also think Ethiopia has been the source of several major aspects of world civilization, including the semetic languages, and several agricultural crops, including coffee.
2) West African Songhai/Mali- Given the lack of African civs, I think Ethiopia and one of the above West African kingdoms shouldbe included. I don't think the specific civ is important, but its clear that a rich, heavily populated region in the West African Sahel has been in existence for centuries, and should be represented.
3) South-East Asia is even less represented than Africa despite its large population, importance in the ancient Indian ocean trade etc. Thailand/Siam, Khamers/Cambodia, and Indonesia/Java/Mahapajits would be the top three contenders, and I think if we have so many European civilizations, this area of the world should have much greater recognition.
These 3-5 civs are the ones that I think there is the most agreement on, however, other names have also popped up quite often, so I'd like to look at them as well.
1) Polynesians - This is more of a lingustic group than a centralized political unit, but I think there's room for "fun" civs, and the Polynesians definately qualify, they also have the advantage of being distinct from all the other civs already included in the game, no Byzantium/Greece probelms here.
2) Hebrews/Israelites/Jews - Though the Isreali state has been small during its existence, the Jewish influence on world culture, especially religion make a strong case, as does the extremely long history of the Jewish people.
3) Tibet - Again, somewhat small (in population if not land area), and I'm sure there's some officals in the Chinese Communist Party that would dismiss this, but Tibet would be anothjer really "fun" civ, lots of people would like to see them, and I think considering that Asia makes up about half of the worlds current population, its a bit silly to have the whole area currently only represented by China, India, Korea, Japan, and Mongolia.
4) Poland - though Europe is already overripe with civs, the Poles had a huge empire, the largest population not currently represented in Europe, as well as an amazing ability topersist as a nation through war occupation, dismemberment etc.
Finally there's a few civs that I think would be interesting to see, even if they haven't been mentioned alot.
1) Another Andean/Mesoamerican civ - The Incas and Aztecs were actually fairly short-lived empires, and the cultures that preceeded them should have some recognition, the Chavin culture, and the Olmecs would be two worthy additions.
2) We should be careful withmodern nations, even though I'm a Canadian, it's prettyridiculous to see Canada or Australia as civs, but if there is one modern country that should be represented it should be Brazil, they have the fifth biggest population and land area in the world, as well as being lingustically distinct from Spanish America, as well as a fairly unique Afro-European culture.
3) I know that India and China re already represented, but given the massive influence of these civs (it's like having "Europe" as a single civilization), I'd like to see perhaps some of there earlier incarnation, specifically the Shang and Indus valley empires, these are both old enough to be somewhat distinct from the modern Indian and Chinese nations.
So to sum up, my wish list for Civ4 would be as follows-
1. Ethiopia
2. Songhai
3. Siam
4. Khamer
5. Java
6. Polynesia
7. Tibet
8. Israel
9.Poland
10. Olmecs
11. Chavin
12. Brazil
13. Shang Dynasty
14. Indus Valley Civilization
Well, there you have it, I know that's a long list, but civs don't seem to take up too much memory, I think that it should be easy enough to add the above civs. I hope I get some responses, I think it would be helpful topost some sort of list of civs to more or less demand be included in civ4, so those firaxis bastards don't add Malta instead of Ethiopia or something.
1) Ethiopia/Abyssinia- These guys have been around as long as anyone, the Ethiopian highlands have always nutured a distinct civilization that continues right up to the present day. I also think Ethiopia has been the source of several major aspects of world civilization, including the semetic languages, and several agricultural crops, including coffee.
2) West African Songhai/Mali- Given the lack of African civs, I think Ethiopia and one of the above West African kingdoms shouldbe included. I don't think the specific civ is important, but its clear that a rich, heavily populated region in the West African Sahel has been in existence for centuries, and should be represented.
3) South-East Asia is even less represented than Africa despite its large population, importance in the ancient Indian ocean trade etc. Thailand/Siam, Khamers/Cambodia, and Indonesia/Java/Mahapajits would be the top three contenders, and I think if we have so many European civilizations, this area of the world should have much greater recognition.
These 3-5 civs are the ones that I think there is the most agreement on, however, other names have also popped up quite often, so I'd like to look at them as well.
1) Polynesians - This is more of a lingustic group than a centralized political unit, but I think there's room for "fun" civs, and the Polynesians definately qualify, they also have the advantage of being distinct from all the other civs already included in the game, no Byzantium/Greece probelms here.
2) Hebrews/Israelites/Jews - Though the Isreali state has been small during its existence, the Jewish influence on world culture, especially religion make a strong case, as does the extremely long history of the Jewish people.
3) Tibet - Again, somewhat small (in population if not land area), and I'm sure there's some officals in the Chinese Communist Party that would dismiss this, but Tibet would be anothjer really "fun" civ, lots of people would like to see them, and I think considering that Asia makes up about half of the worlds current population, its a bit silly to have the whole area currently only represented by China, India, Korea, Japan, and Mongolia.
4) Poland - though Europe is already overripe with civs, the Poles had a huge empire, the largest population not currently represented in Europe, as well as an amazing ability topersist as a nation through war occupation, dismemberment etc.
Finally there's a few civs that I think would be interesting to see, even if they haven't been mentioned alot.
1) Another Andean/Mesoamerican civ - The Incas and Aztecs were actually fairly short-lived empires, and the cultures that preceeded them should have some recognition, the Chavin culture, and the Olmecs would be two worthy additions.
2) We should be careful withmodern nations, even though I'm a Canadian, it's prettyridiculous to see Canada or Australia as civs, but if there is one modern country that should be represented it should be Brazil, they have the fifth biggest population and land area in the world, as well as being lingustically distinct from Spanish America, as well as a fairly unique Afro-European culture.
3) I know that India and China re already represented, but given the massive influence of these civs (it's like having "Europe" as a single civilization), I'd like to see perhaps some of there earlier incarnation, specifically the Shang and Indus valley empires, these are both old enough to be somewhat distinct from the modern Indian and Chinese nations.
So to sum up, my wish list for Civ4 would be as follows-
1. Ethiopia
2. Songhai
3. Siam
4. Khamer
5. Java
6. Polynesia
7. Tibet
8. Israel
9.Poland
10. Olmecs
11. Chavin
12. Brazil
13. Shang Dynasty
14. Indus Valley Civilization
Well, there you have it, I know that's a long list, but civs don't seem to take up too much memory, I think that it should be easy enough to add the above civs. I hope I get some responses, I think it would be helpful topost some sort of list of civs to more or less demand be included in civ4, so those firaxis bastards don't add Malta instead of Ethiopia or something.
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