Yes they do not count but that is for those format. I also do not do it... I just stated it's possible to do it. Yes I do think you're very wrong if you think rewards are balanced. Oh I really do understand what you mean regarding the law of large numbers. But the fact that something yields average results over a large number of trials is totally irrelevant when comparing one game to another. That is my point. I agree however that if we both played 50 games, ruins wouldn't matter (and I think that's your argumentation). But you'd agree that on a game to game basis it does matter (which is my point) and that fact is why I do not like it. Though, yes... ruins are somewhat more fun. Until you get Map, Barb, 55gold :/ Really, I can see why someone would preffer them on. The fun of exploring and not really caring for results. But to me it doesn't offset the negative. Edit: The part you edited in your post just confirms this. You're making the argument that they are balanced due to them having equal probability. But that isn't what I'm talking about at all. I'm saying that one specific result is better than another and only randomness will give you one result or the other. And that, I do not like. The fact that on average it's the same is a totally different matter which to me isn't relevant... for the simple reason that we do not compare hundreds of games.