New Expansion Speculation Thread

[Lord Lakely]

Hasn't that fake as frog list not been debunked yet? Yawn...

To be fair, Atahualpa would absolutely be a big personality, especially if he's flourishing his brother's gilded skull. Oops, there goes the rating. Does that mean CdM gets her wine back? (I'm still hoping for Huayna Capac personally.)

I'm partial to Topa Yupanqui, actually. Defensive + Naval Inca is something different from the Inca we've seen so far.


And re: Roxelana: I've read up on her a bit and I actually quite like her as a choice? I don't think we should stare ourselves blind on whether or not she was the official head of state, like... Gandhi wasn't, and Gorgo wasn't and Theodora wasn't. It doesn't matter. Being a leader is more than just being a head of state. Besides, there was a thing called "the Sultanate of Women", as per Wikipedia:

The Sultanate of Women (Turkish: Kadınlar Saltanatı) was the nearly 130-year period during the 16th and 17th centuries when the women of the Imperial Harem of the Ottoman Empire exerted extraordinary political influence over state matters and over the (male) Ottoman sultan, starting from the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent. Many of the Sultans during this time were minors and it was their mothers, the Valide Sultans, or their wives, the Haseki Sultans, who effectively ruled the Empire. Most of these women were of slave origin, which was often the case in general for consorts of Ottoman sultans.

It's actually would make sense that if Firaxis wanted an Ottoman leader from this time period (Philip II and Lautaro are the only ones in the game atm), they would pretty much HAVE to pick a woman because the male options... yeesh. Out of these women, Roxelana is probably the best choice and definitely counts as a Big Personality the devs have been looking for. I wouldn't say she's a bad choice, but a very bold one.

Out of these alleged leaders though, the best choice for me is Anawrahta, who scores the great triple of Pleasant Surprise, Inspired Choice and Deserved Inclusion, all at once. He and Roxelana are the only reasons why I hope the leaks are true, and if not, I pray both are included in Vesuvius any way.

 

[Zdarg]

Besides, there was a thing called "the Sultanate of Women", as per Wikipedia:

As far as I know, Wiki is wrong. Sultanate of Women did exist, but started later, at the time of Roxolana and Suleiman's grandson, who was a total waste.

 

[darkace77450]

I think if a civ has two alternate leaders it is only fair that one is male and one is female.

Is it unfair if England gets both Elizabeth and Victoria? What injustice is done if France has both Louis XIV and Napoleon? Each of these was a capable leader, an iconic historical figure, and checks the big personality box. So why would it be wrong to include them at the expense of Henry or Catherine, respectively?

why do you think de Medici is "shoehorned"? Because she wasn't the actual ruler? Or because she's not known for warmongering? What is the specific shoe these leaders are being horned into here, to absolutely mangle the word (sorry )?

Speaking personally, because her leader ability doesn't synergize with France's unique ability. Take the aforementioned Louis XIV; his patronage of the arts and ambitious building projects could be tied to great works and wonders to create a tight, synergistic play style. Louis, to me, is a better choice. And if Catherine was included at the expense of better choices - especially if her sex was the deciding factor - then I consider her to be shoehorned into the game.

 

[anandus]

Funny.

Why is the sofa warrior funny?

 

[acluewithout]

are we there yet?

God, I wish we were.

This waiting is tedious.

...

Make of this what you will but it does not convince me.


For some reason the image is not showing, at least for me, I put it on imgur here is the link: https://imgur.com/TmV2rRt

Well. It’s not sounding plausible this guy has this level of info. But the actual things being said don’t sound implausible at all.

I could believe hazards. Sounds like something happens, everyone can react to it in some way, possibly even avoiding it. More plausible that natural disasters - which would be either pure rng or if they depended on player actions or allowed real adaption would be very very hard to implement.

City for clearing camp sounds very plausible. Certainly not any more OP than Goddess of the Harvest.

...actually. The name sounds pretty implausible. Time and Tide. Ugh.

Civilization VI: Rise and Fall Expansion Announcement Trailer

Epidemics @1:32 "from the ashes of the old, new possibilities arise. You need only persevere."

World congress @2:52 "the true power to shape this world has always lain in your hands. Choose well. Always."


Maybe the fat subtitle should have been "Rise & Fall, and Rise again"

The Black Plague part way through the announcement video and the World Congress at the end has always puzzled me. I think they might well have been things left on the cutting room floor - although equally the Black Plague may have just been because they couldn’t think of another way to represent “dark ages” and the World Congress might also have just been a reference to Emergencies.

But I also think RnF was really just beta for whatever the next expansion is. So, yeah, maybe the leak + RnF trailer means we’re getting “hazards” or something. Who knows?

Is it unfair if England gets both Elizabeth and Victoria? What injustice is done if France has both Louis XIV and Napoleon? Each of these was a capable leader, an iconic historical figure, and checks the big personality box. So why would it be wrong to include them at the expense of Henry or Catherine, respectively?



Speaking personally, because her leader ability doesn't synergize with France's unique ability. Take the aforementioned Louis XIV; his patronage of the arts and ambitious building projects could be tied to great works and wonders to create a tight, synergistic play style. Louis, to me, is a better choice. And if Catherine was included at the expense of better choices - especially if her sex was the deciding factor - then I consider her to be shoehorned into the game.

Two female leaders for England sounds awesome. I’d be disappointed if it was one male and one female.

Indeed, I’m honestly shocked we might not get Lizzy 1. It just seems like such good marketing, and would also address two gameplay issues. First, it’d give FXS an execuse to overhaul England. Second, it would allow for a second Medieval spy Civ which I think the game needs - so Catherine has someone to compete with, so you can have games where two Civs are spying on you in the Medieval era, and so you can have another Civ that expands on how spies work (eg maybe Lizzy’s spies manipulate loyalty).

How does Catherine’s ability not synergise with France? Improvements grant culture; culture gets you spies. France is all about culture victory. Spies let you steal artwork and also Attack opponents without incurring diplomatic penalties (which would otherwise hamper tourism). Honestly, France a good, and RnF made them awesome.

 

[Zdarg]

Why is the sofa warrior funny?

Isn't it a meme in English?
In modern Russian, sofa warrior (or divan warrior) means a person who fights for some idea in internet, but IRL just sits on his sofa and never does anything.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Either it's fake or not after the first expansion we have already known a lot of old Civs will be probably out. Back then people were claiming we should expect DLC. Now we have just noticed the same fact -> some of the old Civs shall be out. And now you are expecting one extra expansion. There will be no new expansion. As there was no DLC after R&F.
It is just a consequence of Firaxis strategy of picking Civs for VI. Therefore we have Scotland but not Celts, we have Georgia but not Byzantines. I suspect they decided to rather pick civilization which can be easily connected to the modern country and get the audience in those countries hyped (Poland, Indonesia, Australia, Brazil etc) than pick some ancient Civ without such emotional impacts like Carthage or Babylon.
So I rather expect Inca connected to modern Peru and Equador than Maya, because Mexicans already got Aztecs. I rather expect Ottomans connected to modern Turkey than Byzantines. I rather expect Portugal than Babylon etc.
And most of all I don't expect third expansion. From the beginning, Ed Beach said they are planning around 40 Civs. We will reach this number after the upcoming expansion.

 

[Cerilis]

Isn't it a meme in English?
In modern Russian, sofa warrior (or divan warrior) means a person who fights for some idea in internet, but IRL just sits on his sofa and never does anything.

Like an armchair general?

 

[SammyKhalifa]

God, I wish we were.

This waiting is tedious.



Well. It’s not sounding plausible this guy has this level of info. But the actual things being said don’t sound implausible at all.

I could believe hazards. Sounds like something happens, everyone can react to it in some way, possibly even avoiding it. More plausible that natural disasters - which would be either pure rng or if they depended on player actions or allowed real adaption would be very very hard to implement.

City for clearing camp sounds very plausible. Certainly not any more OP than Goddess of the Harvest.

...actually. The name sounds pretty implausible. Time and Tide. Ugh.

The name sounds exactly along the same lines as every other Civ expansion. It was actually the most plausible thing to me in this whole rumor. Common phrase--check. Applies to civ--check. fills a favored format of _____ and _____. Check.

And we've seen water graphics in another spoiler.

 

[Zdarg]

Like an armchair general?

Seems so.

 

[acluewithout]

Either it's fake or not after the first expansion we have already known a lot of old Civs will be probably out. Back then people were claiming we should expect DLC. Now we have just noticed the same fact -> some of the old Civs shall be out. And now you are expecting one extra expansion. There will be no new expansion. As there was no DLC after R&F.
It is just a consequence of Firaxis strategy of picking Civs for VI. Therefore we have Scotland but not Celts, we have Georgia but not Byzantines. I suspect they decided to rather pick civilization which can be easily connected to the modern country and get the audience in those countries hyped (Poland, Indonesia, Australia, Brazil etc) than pick some ancient Civ without such emotional impacts like Carthage or Babylon.
So I rather expect Inca connected to modern Peru and Equador than Maya, because Mexicans already got Aztecs. I rather expect Ottomans connected to modern Turkey than Byzantines. I rather expect Portugal than Babylon etc.
And most of all I don't expect third expansion. From the beginning, Ed Beach said they are planning around 40 Civs. We will reach this number after the upcoming expansion.

I think it basically sums up people’s feeling on the game and FXS that rather than news on the next (second) Expansion we’re looking for news that there will be a third expansion.

I don’t see the current player base has a lot of confidence in Civ VI or FXS at this stage. I certainly don’t. Which is pretty sad given how good Vanilla was. Hmph.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Hard to believe. Seems very overpowered.

Indeed, unless they are majorly buffing barb camps in the expansion. Can't think that I've ever lost a unit taking a camp!

Capturing a barb camp without losing a unit grants you a free city? That is so OP and I hope it isn't in the expansion.

Clearing a barb camp gives you a free city? Yea, that sounds so absolutely ridiculously overpowered that it screams fake.

It's strong, but I'm not sure its OP. There are a lot of really powerful abilities already out there for existing civs, too.

The main impact will be at the beginning of the game. By the time most civs will have expanded to 2 cities, Hungary could have 3 or possibly even 4 cities. That's a huge advantage. However, there's a randomness to where those cities are going to be located. There's a decent chance that in the long run, you'll end up with room for 1 or even 2 fewer cities total in your available space.

So when playing peacefully, I could see it giving you an early boost at the cost of some longer term efficiency. If playing aggressively, it no doubt helps you steamroll faster, but so do a lot of civs with early unique units. I'm not sure this ability is any better than Gilga's, for example, if the objective is to conquer your neighbours as fast as possible.

Later game, it will help you get some tundra cities cheaply in odd locations. A help, but not out of line with other leader benefits.

In the end, we'll have to see what mechanisms are changing in the new expansion and see the totality of the abilities, before we can judge.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Isn't it a meme in English?
In modern Russian, sofa warrior (or divan warrior) means a person who fights for some idea in internet, but IRL just sits on his sofa and never does anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofa_(warrior)
It's real though. The thing that doesn't seem real is the ability to build a mudbrick fort. There certainly are better options for an unique infrastructure. This Mali sounds too militaristic for my liking, almost like we will get the Songhai again, all but in name. I want the religious, scientific, and cultural centers built around a trading empire.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Ok, I can't get the image of an army of fighting sofas out of my head now.

 

[johnlynch13957]

Two female leaders for England sounds awesome. I’d be disappointed if it was one male and one female.

I don’t know, I would love to see Winston Churchill again.

 

[Cerilis]

How do you define "without losing a unit" anyway? With the kills made by the barbarians spawned from the camp? With the kills by only the camp defender?

 

[Jewelrunna]

They already did before. In the same city even

Theodora is a different case though, as a lot of sources indicate her to be a co-regent to Justinian. The dude just straight up called her a partner. I’m totally cool with her leading the Byzantines, I’d even like to see her return! Roxelana as a substitute for easily the most significant Ottoman ruler, as a concubine who just had Suleiman’s ear, is absolutely ridiculous though. I get it, she had a good deal of political influence in the Sultanate and they want a female ruler to lead a Muslim nation, which you can be hard pressed to find. But she wasn’t even Turkish. She was Ruthenian.

 

[Zdarg]

However, there's a randomness to where those cities are going to be located. .

Somehow I managed to notice (long before) that barbarian outposts tend to appear exactly in locations I'd found ideal for my cities.

 

[Weraptor]

I on the other hand love the proposed ability to turn defeated barb encampments into a city. If it turns out to be fake, please make us a civ with it, dear modders!

 

[Zdarg]

I on the other hand love the proposed ability to turn defeated barb encampments into a city. If it turns out to be fake, please make us a civ with it, dear modders!

Well, I also love this.
But I'd hate playing against this.