new patch is out #303

[Colee]

Look at the very first post of this thread. Copied from there:

README
Last updated 6 – Aug – 2007

v3.3

- Microsoft Fix for Manifest Requirements

- DirectX 9.0c June Version Included



v3.2

- Synchronization of US Version to European Versions

It is generally not advisable to install the v303 patch unless you are running Vista.

 

[civspain]

Look at the very first post of this thread. Copied from there:

README
Last updated 6 – Aug – 2007

v3.3

- Microsoft Fix for Manifest Requirements

- DirectX 9.0c June Version Included



v3.2

- Synchronization of US Version to European Versions

It is generally not advisable to install the v303 patch unless you are running Vista.

forget it to much work paid good money for this game ,not goona go serching all over the place for a fix it list ridiclous.

 

[Psyringe]

forget it to much work paid good money for this game ,not goona go serching all over the place for a fix it list ridiclous.

I don't really understand how "looking at the very first post in this thread" translates into "searching all over the place", but in case you misunderstood Colee, I'll point out the obvious:

The list Colee copied from the first post *is* the fix list. There is no official patch out yet that actually fixes bugs. Firaxis is still working on the first patch to do this.

 

[civspain]

I don't really understand how "looking at the very first post in this thread" translates into "searching all over the place", but in case you misunderstood Colee, I'll point out the obvious:

The list Colee copied from the first post *is* the fix list. There is no official patch out yet that actually fixes bugs. Firaxis is still working on the first patch to do this.

what kind of non sense is that this is geting stupid and ridiclous.

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[Psyringe]

what kind of non sense is that this is geting stupid and ridiclous.

I honestly don't see your problem. You wanted to know what's included in the patch because you don't want to apply changes that you don't know anything about. You've been told that there are no changes to speak of in either patch, and that 3.03 is not recommended unless you're using Vista. Which, frankly, is the very best help someone could give you.

You still seem quite dissatisfied, so if you still have some specific problem, try to describe it and we'll try to help you.

 

[civspain]

I honestly don't see your problem. You wanted to know what's included in the patch because you don't want to apply changes that you don't know anything about. You've been told that there are no changes to speak of in either patch, and that 3.03 is not recommended unless you're using Vista. Which, frankly, is the very best help someone could give you.

You still seem quite dissatisfied, so if you still have some specific problem, try to describe it and we'll try to help you.

my problem is i want a patch and it taking way to long for it to come out im sick of these companies puting out games than taking there sweet time puting out a aptch im tired of puting up money for these games than get treated like second class because they already got your money i expect this from european companies but i am surprised that this is an american company doing this.and i will come to wherever you are and slap you in the face whoever comes to the defence of the publisher or developer. i am also tired of this also

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[Luso]

my problem is i want a patch and it taking way to long for it to come out im sick of these companies puting out games than taking there sweet time puting out a aptch im tired of puting up money for these games than get treated like second class because they already got your money i expect this from european companies but i am surprised that this is an american company doing this.and i will come to wherever you are and slap you in the face whoever comes to the defence of the publisher or developer. i am also tired of this also

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You are right!
I would say the same,how the companies sells a game that have problems to be solve? if they wont work to solve it when they put out then the game shouldn't cost all that money,we pay for having a product in good conditions without problems or conflicts that needs patchs to solve the bugs or something else.
This kind of treatment only increases the piracy of any product,because people will see that spending money (more than 40 euros) on a game with bugs and other problems doens't compensate.

 

[DrewBledsoe]

It is honestly a sad reflection on the computer game industry in general. EVERY company seems now to release games considerably earlier than they should, and relies on the fact that 97% (or so) of people who have a pc are connected to the internet, and thus "patches" can very easily be applied by all later on.

This doesn't make it right, in fact its become a cop-out...i.e "Well let's release it now, use the general public as a test base, then correct it from there"....This is NOT having a go at Firaxis or anyone at all in particular, because as I said, its almost become an industry standard, a standard of "meh, well its nearly right, so lets release it anyway and fix it later"...

Its as much our, the consumers fault for accepting it, as it is the developers for producing it.

Sooooo......

To The Games Industry:- Let's imagine the internet, Xbox live and the like didn't exist. Ok you got that. Now go and make games that actually work out of the box, with no modifications needed, right?

Because without the internet, you'd have to, or quite quickly go out of business, so why not set a new standard and just do it anyways?

Rant over....

 

[civspain]

You are right!
I would say the same,how the companies sells a game that have problems to be solve? if they wont work to solve it when they put out then the game shouldn't cost all that money,we pay for having a product in good conditions without problems or conflicts that needs patchs to solve the bugs or something else.
This kind of treatment only increases the piracy of any product,because people will see that spending money (more than 40 euros) on a game with bugs and other problems doens't compensate.

thank you i knew i was not the only one who felt this way i perfer games come out early with bugs,but than patches come out in a expedious manner.

 

[Luso]

If I spent my money on a game that costs more than 40euros then the game shouldn't have those bugs,ok maybe I can accept a game with bugs but not costing more than 40euros,for me a game with bugs should cost 20euros,and no more than that.

 

[SewerStarFish]

This thread is repeated every new version of Civ and every other game I've ever seen. It comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of PC's or an intentionally selfish veiwpoint. Now major bugs are a legimate complaint but before you declare your bug a major bug....

Most of was developed last year -- this was pre-Vista availability. Yes the designers had a designer's copy of Vista but since Vista didn't work right of the box in January and needed patches, you are hard pressed to make any claim against Firaxis(2K, Infrogrames or whatever alias du jour) for Vista specific bugs --YOUR operating system is to blame.

But that's how PC's are different than an Xbox or any console -- incredible variety of OS and hardware. There are literally hundreds of graphic cards, sound cards, motherboards, chipsets, ram sets and peripherals. If you know anything about math that's a ba-gillion (go ahead do the math) combinations of hardware. EACH HARDWARE ITEM HAS ITS OWN SOFTWARE; this software interacts with the Civ program -- and no they do not all act the same. For reference go to any bug forum and find the "that's odd I don't have that problem..." comment in most of the threads. THOSE bugs are most likely hardware driver specific. And let's not forget that graphic card drivers are subdivided by language --more variety.

If you have a bug and others don't -- It's your specific hardware configuration or drivers. It is a problematic truth of all game development that someone will have these issues. Your 40 euro game would cost 300 if Firaxis had to in-depth test all the combinations, and even then there'd be someone w/one they didn't -- It's a financial decision that they made to stay in business.

This leaves the "Everyone has the bug issues": links crash to desktop, military academy available when it shouldn't be, etc. These are Firaxis's fault. The more simple the bug the more fault to Firaxis -- tut tut on them.The highly complicated "cheats and exploits" that develop are also their fault but blame the beta testers for not being as devious as they should.

So now what should you do. Understand, if you're the kind of person who'll stand in line for 4 days and nights for the release of an iPhone, your cutting edge thingy is likely to have issues. Maybe even severe issues (I had a game that needed a patch for my motherboard, couldn't play it for months).
If you are not that type,you must be mature enough to assess this risk and possibly delay your purchase.. Consider all new releases as "a pay to gamma test" option.
If you wait 6-10 months to buy and there's still a bug - Rant

 

[Luso]

We are talking about game problems and bugs and no computers bugs or conflicts of the pc system with the game.

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

I just installed BtS tonight and clicked on the update option in game. Once patched and the HOF mod loaded I had a crash to desktop when clicking on Levee in the Civilopedia. Anyone else have something like this happen? It happened again without HOF mod loaded.

EDIT: Just happened again when looking else where in the Pedia.

 

[Paideia]

I am getting the same problem with the Civilopedia. Tried to go to spearmen from Impi - crash to desktop. Restarted game, tried to go to Impi from spearmen - crash to desktop. That makes me suspect that the problem is the linking, not the entries.

Has anyone else experienced this problem? Do I have to uninstall the game and run it without 3.03?

 

[Methos]

I just installed BtS tonight and clicked on the update option in game. Once patched and the HOF mod loaded I had a crash to desktop when clicking on Levee in the Civilopedia. Anyone else have something like this happen? It happened again without HOF mod loaded.

EDIT: Just happened again when looking else where in the Pedia.

Did you patch to 3.03? From my understanding 3.03 has a pedia bug problem and no, it's not the HOF mod. You might want to check the Bug Report sub-forum, as there's probably something about it there.

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

Yeah, up to 3.03 and as I said, it happens without the HOF mod, so I am not blaming you guys . Thought I would post here because the thread is about the newest patch. The bug thread is really long though, isn't it?

 

[Tyrant Roger]

My BTS 303 is loaded with bugs and I uninstalled it. I want to load 302 so that I can load Solvers Patch, but I can't find 302 any where. How should I proceed?

 

[ori]

My BTS 303 is loaded with bugs and I uninstalled it. I want to load 302 so that I can load Solvers Patch, but I can't find 302 any where. How should I proceed?

Look here

 

[number51]

Been playing Civ since Civ I. I have been playing Civ IV Warlords, now bought BTS and came here to check out what patches I need. I have been reading this thread for an hour, and still have no idea. I am still using XP and do not play MP. So...... does that mean I should use 3.2 or no patch at all? It doesn't sound like I should go with 3.3.

Opinions, suggestions, recipe's?

 

[Psyringe]

Get 3.02 from Firaxis' homepage, and don't install 3.03 unless you're running Vista (which you don't).