New possible leaders?

[Otaku-sama]

There are some leaders that aren't in civ that deserve to be in it. Give ideas who could fill another spot in those civs with only one leader. I eagerly await your ideas.

 

[AlphaShard]

There are some leaders that aren't in civ that deserve to be in it. Give ideas who could fill another spot in those civs with only one leader. I eagerly await your ideas.

Well you seem to have some ideas yourself why don't you submit a few of your own?

Here's mine that I'd like to see Theodore Roosevelt, JFK, King Henry VIII, and Richard III.


Teddy because his favorite Civic would be Environmentlism, and he's still be a badass Aggressive leader as well.

JFK would be Chr, not sure what else though.

Henry and Richard would just be fun, I do wonder why none of the English Patiarchs ever made it in as Leaders.

 

[kamex]

Hitler, another Spanish leader, Nero, Trajan, another Japanese leader...

 

[ilikepies]

Hitler, another Spanish leader, Nero, Trajan, another Japanese leader...

Because Hitler and Nero were really good leaders.

I think another Spanish, Japanese, Holy Roman, and Byzantine would be nice.

 

[kamex]

Because Hitler and Nero were really good leaders.

I think another Spanish, Japanese, Holy Roman, and Byzantine would be nice.

Wether or not a leader was 'good' isn't relavent. Whats important is the historical interest/importance.

Besides which, there are worse leaders in it all ready. Stalin, Ghengis, Ceasar especialy.

 

[AlphaShard]

Wether or not a leader was 'good' isn't relavent. Whats important is the historical interest/importance.

Besides which, there are worse leaders in it all ready. Stalin, Ghengis, Ceasar especialy.

I don't think ilikepies meant good as in a moral sense but in Capabilities. Hitler didn't know how to run a war, he knew how to sway others so he'd have Chr trait. When enemy army attacks your main military base which happens to be in your capitial and you return attack their capital that has no military value but is more Cultural value, it's time to re-evaluate Hitler's strategy's.

I'd love to hear how Ceasar was worse then Hitler on both the moral and capabilities front. Stalin may be close but he was referred to as the 'Lesser of two evils'.

 

[Otaku-sama]

Hitler may be a very important leader, his inclusion in Civ would be much to controversial. Firaxis wouldn't be able to sell the game in Germany at all due to censorship laws.

Stalin was included simply because he fought against the Nazis. During the war, even the Americans set asided differences with the U.S.S.R. and called Stalin 'Uncle Joe'.

If another Japanese leader is included, it should be one that opened up Japan to trade, because I don't want to have to keep dealing with isolationist Japan. That's the only reason why I hate Tokugawa.

 

[ori]

Hitler may be a very important leader, his inclusion in Civ would be much to controversial. Firaxis wouldn't be able to sell the game in Germany at all due to censorship laws.

My pet peeve in these forums so I'll correct as often as I can:
German laws would not in any way prevent the game from being sold with Hitler in it. Certain Nazi symbols might - note: might - make it disallowed to advertise it - but there is no difficulty at all to get around these rules. It would be highly controversial and very likely no self-respecting vendor would touch the product - so it would be a marketing nightmare. But not a legal one.

 

[mechaerik]

They could also do what they did in China. IIRC, they swapped out Mao for Taizong there.

 

[Koning]

There are some leaders that aren't in civ that deserve to be in it. Give ideas who could fill another spot in those civs with only one leader. I eagerly await your ideas.

Love to do:

Extra leaders for one-leader civs:
Babylon: Nebuchadnezzar II
Greatest ruler of the Second Babylonian Empire (Hammurabi ruled the first, some 1000 years earlier)
Byzantines: Basil II
Ruled some 5 centuries after Justinian, when the Byzantines where mighty again. Nicknamed "the Bulgar-slayer"
Spain: Philip II
Ruled Spain at the height of its power in the 16th century. Brutally exploited the native Americans, surpressed the Dutch and non-catholics in general.
Japan: Meiji
Often mentioned. Representative for the post-isolationist Japan that became a world power
Arabia: Harun Al-Rashid
Greatly admired caliph in the late 8th century, who ruled the vast Arabian empire
Incas: Pachachuti
Greatest of the Inca's, HE conquered most of the Incan empire. No idea why they chose Huayna Capac.
Aztek: Ahuitzotl
Same story. But Montezuma is just more famous
Ethiopia: Menelik II
Ensured Ethiopia remained the only real independant African country in the 19th/early 20th century. Kicked out the Italians twice.

New leaders for two leaders civs I'd like to see:
China: Tai Zong
Rome: Constantine the Great
India: Akbar the Great
Germany: Hitler (YES!)

 

[Otaku-sama]

I agree with Neduchadrezzar. He was awesome because he swiped Babylon right out from under the Persians, then built the Hanging Gardens during the brief time of independant Babylon.

I also agree with Meiji, as Japan desperately needs a leader who isn't a freaking jerk-off isolationist like Toku-frikin-gawa.

 

[JF Kennedy]

William the Conqueror-no medieval history student worth their salt won't have heard of him Problem is, do you make him French or English..

There's many more Native American leaders we could add I don't know much about Native America but I believe there were many influential tribes and leaders

Ivan the Terrible! how he didn't make it, I almost cried!

Muhammed possibly for Arabia? Seeing as he unified all the Bedioun and similar tribes under Islam?

Hamilcar Barca, Hannibals-not-so-famous dad

I'd like to see Cortes as a Spanish leader, conquering an entire civilisation with 600 men is a fair effort

Haile Sellaisse (sp?) for Ethiopia, King of Ethiopia and was worshipped by the Rastarian movement

The Beatles for England. This would actually be really fun but not serious, they had a huge cultural influence

 

[Graceheart the Leopard]

Muhammed possibly for Arabia? Seeing as he unified all the Bedioun and similar tribes under Islam?

I assume you want a Sid Meier's head to be placed on a Pike in Saudi Arabia as a warning to those who add Muhammed to PC games?

 

[JF Kennedy]

I assume you want a Sid Meier's head to be placed on a Pike in Saudi Arabia as a warning to those who add Muhammed to PC games?

bloody fanatics.....they'd actually do that?

 

[Camikaze]

I was about to say 'In before Meiji', but then I saw this...

Japan: Meiji
Often mentioned. Representative for the post-isolationist Japan that became a world power

I will say no more than 'Ito Hirobumi'.

My pet peeve in these forums so I'll correct as often as I can:
German laws would not in any way prevent the game from being sold with Hitler in it. Certain Nazi symbols might - note: might - make it disallowed to advertise it - but there is no difficulty at all to get around these rules. It would be highly controversial and very likely no self-respecting vendor would touch the product - so it would be a marketing nightmare. But not a legal one.

I can't really conceive them putting Hitler in the game without a swastika and Nazi salute, though, and that make things a lot harder, right?

And I'm curious; would Hitler, without any other Nazi paraphernalia, result in a higher rating for the game (i.e. G, PG, M, MA15+ as it is here) in Germany, assuming such a system exists?

 

[LegionSteve]

William the Conqueror-no medieval history student worth their salt won't have heard of him Problem is, do you make him French or English..

Neither - make him Viking.

 

[kochman]

Wether or not a leader was 'good' isn't relavent. Whats important is the historical interest/importance.

Besides which, there are worse leaders in it all ready. Stalin, Ghengis, Ceasar especialy.

I reject the notion that Caesar (either of them since you weren't specific) was not a good leader, and certainly not worse than Hilter.

Let's not forget the worst of them all, Mao, who is responsible for over 70 million deaths by some estimates, definitely over 50M, making him the biggest criminal in the history of the world (after Bernie Madoff apparently).

 

[Olfart]

Yes for Constantine, but would he be the first Byzantine? (Hence, Constantinople)

Trajan of Rome - probably the most capable of the later emperors.

Ivan the Terrible - defeating the Tatars was huge in Russian history.

Neduchadrezzar - certainly one of the strongest Babylonian kings.

Meiji - agree that Japan needs a leader that will occasionally negotiate.

I would also put a vote in for Thutmose III of Egypt. He rocked the middle east and was probably the ablest military commander in Egyptian history (Ramses notwithstanding).

 

[ori]

I was about to say 'In before Meiji', but then I saw this...



I will say no more than 'Ito Hirobumi'.



I can't really conceive them putting Hitler in the game without a swastika and Nazi salute, though, and that make things a lot harder, right?

And I'm curious; would Hitler, without any other Nazi paraphernalia, result in a higher rating for the game (i.e. G, PG, M, MA15+ as it is here) in Germany, assuming such a system exists?

The Swastika as a symbol of the Nazi party is indeed banned unless it is used for scientific or artistic purposes - the artistic exception could quite conceivably apply to a computer game - and it is really extremely difficult to actually get a ban just because of this - however there has been some inconsistent use of the rules by the courts with regards to the various Wolfenstein versions in the 1990s. But even there the main reason for the Wolfenstein ban was not the quite blatant use of the Nazi flag, but the use of the Nazi party hymn (Horst Wessel Lied) as a soundtrack.
Depictions of Hitler are not banned at all.
The Nazi salute as a symbol of the Nazi party is banned - but the Hitler salute (his signature salute was not the Nazi/Fascist salute of the time) is not in any way shape or form banned - so a historically accurate depiction of him without use of the party symbols wouldn't be a problem. And I don't think it would be much of a problem to implement.
Now legal problems might occur if the accompanying game text can be construed as making light of or denying genocide or other crimes against humanity that were committed during his reign - but that could easily be avoided.
It would certainly be controversial - but I doubt there would be a ban on the game (though I seriously doubt any major shops would carry it - due to PR reasons).

Including Hitler in the game would not cause a higher rating by itself. However the point is moot - in that it would certainly be a marketing nightmare and reduce the number of copies sold in Germany and probably elsewhere - I seriously doubt that those who really want him in the game and won't buy the game without him would be a large enough group to make up for this, so from a commercial point of view it would be a bad move - especially since its so easy to add on a fan made mod basis.

 

[AlphaShard]

Well there are computer games with the Swatisca like in Wolfenstien games, course your killing the Nazi's but again no one has a problem with those games. I think it would be different to those though when your actually Hitler as opposed to just killing said Nazi's.