New Unit: Kandori (Jan. 7, 2005)

[joeskip]

this unit is so cool, I don't know anything about WoT but I keep finding places in my mod for your units. I think i'll use him for the Hittites, Babylonians, or Sumerians, one of the civs with less flavor units.

Great job

 

[Bungus]

Hmmm, since we're on the topic of east asian swordsman, are there any suitable replacements?

 

[tjedge1]

Nice work CamJH. You make units that just scream WoT. Your mod is going to be very accurate to Jordan's books.

 

[Goldflash]

My Gods, Swoggy, you're whining and begging for unit modifications even more than I do.

BTW, this Feller is top notch, CamJH.

 

[Aluminium]

Great!

 

[Master Kodama]

Excellent unit. I really want to use it for something, but I'm not sure what....

We aren't using him as is, we are going to do some alterations(Shiro has somebody doing color, and helmut alterations, so it looks Japanese). Although Kinboat's Otomo Swordsman is a great unit, and I love using it in my own epic mod, I do have the wishes of other Battlefield Asia teammembers to consider, hense the decision to not use the existing Otomo Swordsman as the Otomo Swordsman(The Otomo existed at a time which was pre-Katana, and the Otomo Swordsman by Kinboat has a Katana)

Sounds intriguing. I'd like to get my hands on an Otomo-ized version of this fine unit for my own purposes... any chances of releasing the unit-mod before the full mod-mod?

 

[Gomurr]

The unit looks excellent, and I really like the animations. I can't tell if he has a forked-beard or not, though. Anyways, awesome job!

 

[Mithadan]

Hmmm, since we're on the topic of east asian swordsman, are there any suitable replacements?

I dunno about suitability, but there are a lot of possibilities. Here various asian sword units I've got in my mod. Not sure I got all their particular names right:

 

[ShiroKobbure]

Kinboats Ashigaru Swordsman-this isnt something you will see on the battlefield, those sandles arent made for combat he will trip before he runs. and Ashigaru wouldnt be armed with a sword, they are low ranking they would have a yari.

Kinboats Chin Swordsman-It is a good replacement but only for 1700s-1900s

Wangshuis Buzu-I have only seen this unit once I dont remember using it, so I wont comment on it

Kinboats Otomo Swordsman- well he has a katana worn like edo period style, 1000 years after the Otomos and well this is what an Otomo swordsman looks like http://shiromanga.datamachine.net/civ/Early Japanese Swordsman.htm

Utahjazz7s Bushi- Well, He doesnt look like anything seen on the battlefield of medievil Japan

Bebros Tiger Warrior-Never heard of it, but Im not an expert on Chinese history so I dont know

CamJHs Shaolin Monk- Its a good unit, but its not a chinese replacement for a swordsman

Utahjazz7s East Asian Swordsman-Its probably the best replacement but its one of his first units so the animation is that good

Kinboats Bushi?- thats not a sword its a Naginata. Its more like a spear with a longer cruved blade.

Kinboats Kensai- Not something your going to see on the battlefield. It Reminds me of Miyamoto Musashi, the unit looks like him in his vagabond days. It would be a good Ronin unit.

So you see how much we need(I want ^ ^; an Ancient/Early East Asian swordsman

Note:Im not making fun of these units, sorry if I offended ><

 

[Mithadan]

Note:Im not making fun of these units, sorry if I offended ><

Not at all. I'm the one who has no clue as to the suitability of these units for whatever Bungus wanted one for. I find you're assessment rather informative, actually.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention the various swordy guys in the PtW Medieval Japan folder and Dom's new Indochinese units in the above list, but I imagine they'll fall prey to the same issues already brought up by SK.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

the Minamoto Swordsman(which has the sword in the wrong way for the Gempei war) is more for a Knight replacement, and isnt an acient replacement

Well Indochina is South East Asian not for China/Korea/Japan

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I diffinitely hope someone makes a true Otomo Swordsman...diffinitely would be a plus for the Battlefield Asia mod

 

[Bungus]

Alot of the above are great units; I use most of them. There's an abundence of Japanese units, but very few Chinese ones. UtahJazz's east asian sword meets the criteria dead on, but unfortunetly, as Shiro pointed out, its one of his first (rigid animation, etc.)
Anyway, there's probably something somewhat suitable, I'll dig around in my civ3 unit downloads folder

 

[ShiroKobbure]

well the Otomo Swordsman armor is based of chinese/korean influance so if someone made one it would work for both civs. and as you see above there is an abundance of japanese units but many are historically unuseable. ^ ^;;

+if anyone wants to make a Japanese unit please talk to me I can provide concept art and sooooooo many paintings and photos to base it off. Also Korean and to a Chinese units.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Indeed Shiro, one could even call you the Japanese Kal-el, your that good...

 

[RedAlert]

That's a beautiful unit, CamJH. Well done! You're an excellent unit creator.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

Kinboats Ashigaru Swordsman-this isnt something you will see on the battlefield, those sandles arent made for combat he will trip before he runs. and Ashigaru wouldnt be armed with a sword, they are low ranking they would have a yari.

Kinboats Otomo Swordsman- well he has a katana worn like edo period style, 1000 years after the Otomos and well this is what an Otomo swordsman looks like http://shiromanga.datamachine.net/civ/Early Japanese Swordsman.htm

Yes, if I reccollect properly, up until ~1200 AD the Japanese used Straight-bladed Chinese style swords. It was then, according to a legend I heard a while ago (Shiro, correct me if I'm wrong, but I's been quite some time since I read the story of the first katana and my memory's a bit fuzzy), that the great master swordsmith Masamune (or was his name Murasame?) invented the Katana. According to the legend, Masamune's feudal lord went ot battle, and his army lost because thier straight-bladed swords broke on the enemy's armor, and even though the lord escaped with his life he was hopping mad at Masamune. Masamune was so distraught that he went into seclusion and fasted and meditated for a month, and the design for the Katana came to him in a vision. He immediately (after breaking his fast) ran to the forge and got his aprentices busy with making the new design, and thus the legendary Masamune blade (which appears in almost every FF game as well as Soul Calibur II) was forged. The lord and his men took the new blade into batle and vanquished their enemies, and the rest, as they say, was history.

Anyways, back to the main topic: I'll be using this guy as the Knight of Pluto UU for Alexandria in the ol' FF mod (that makes 4 or your units that I'm using now)

 

[ShiroKobbure]

no. Well the first Japanese curved blades werent the Katana. It was the tachi. worn blade down. It mostly likely came form korea. But maybe Japanese and Koreans devopled similiar swords independly. The curved tachi was used in 900-1500, it got bigger a long as the time went. the katana didnt really start being used until the middle Muromachi era in 1467-1554. the katana is shorter then the late tachi and is worn blade up. and then in the edo period everyone has a katana.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

Actually, I was referring to all the curved style swords as Katana (in American English, "katana" is a term generally used for any Japanese style sword, or what should properly be called a Nihontou, in addtion to the 3-shaku length sword that the original Japanese term applies to), and it would seem that I got the date that they were first used right. I know that they didn't have the shorter swords until later, since, after all, the swords were originally designed to be used (as is the case with other curved sword designs, such as the scimitar & sabre) by mounted warriors, since the samurai at the early period mainly concentrated on Yabusame, or mounted archery, and only used the swords as secondary weapons (after firing several volleys of arrows at the enemy, they'd draw and charge).

 

[CortreX]

Wonderful, CamJH! Your works get better and better!!!
And I agree with SpincruS: most of them fit to medieval mods.
Thank you!