New UU ?

[Akka]

Modding my game, I'm actually wondering if havin two UU for each civ wouldn't be better.

Problem is, I'm not finding good UU for each civ. So, here is where I come to ask the community ^^

So, what good UU could you propose me ?
A good UU would be a kind of unit that represent well the civ, at the peak of its golden age, and that had a significant effect/meaning/symbol at the time.

The actual civ and UU are, and which ones I'm actually wondering about :


America : F-15, Navy Seal.
Arabia : Ansar, Hashishin.
Aztecs : Jaguar Warrior.
Babylon : Bowman.
Byzantium : Dromon, Cataphract.
Carthage : Libyan mercenary, Numidian Cavalry.
Celts : Clanic swordsman.
China : Rider.
Egypt : War Chariot.
England : Man-o-War, Redcoat, Longbowman.
France : Chevalier, Musketeer, Grenadier.
Germany : Panzer, Trooper.
Greece : Hoplite, Trireme.
Incas : Inca scout.
Indians : Elephant.
Iroquois : Mounted Warrior.
Japan : Samurai, Zero.
Mongols : Horde Horseman.
Rome : Legionary, Fire catapult.
Russia : Cossack, T-80.
Persia : Immortals.
Spain : Tercio, Galleon.
Turks : Janissary, Mortar.
Vikings : Berserker, Drakkar.
Zulus : Impi.

 

[Pfeffersack]

China: early missiles
Aztecs: eagle warrior (with enslavement)
Turks: an early version of the cannon
Russia: T-34
Japan: perhaps the Kamikaze planes (in civIII as a kind of cruise missile - see WWII conquest)


EDIT:
Special units from the RTS-game Rise of Nations:

Aztecs: Atl-Atl (light infantery)
China: Mandschu Infantery
Egypt: Mameluc/camel rider
Inca: a kind of mortar(?)
Japan: Bushi

 

[LouLong]

This has been done quite often now (and should be in the Creation & Cusomization forum BTW )

Many are quite agreed upon, others are debatable, depending on what period you want to emphasize (ex : 2 UUs at the same time, at different times), whether you accept evolution of civs, and whether there are units available...

These are possibilities for the second UU

America : marines or Abrams (spelling ?) or even Minutemen
Arabia : Mameluk or special guerrila/terrorist unit
Aztecs :
Babylon :
Byzantium : Cataphract (ask Xen if you want to know why lol)
Carthage : Elephant
Celts :
China : Chu Ko Nu (crossbowman)
Egypt : Mamluk is a possibility
England : Longbow or redcoat or Colonial Infantry
France : personally I would forget about the musketeer and choose either/or Frank warrior (by Utahjazz), Norman knight (by Kinboat) or Napoleonic infantry (imperial guard grenadier).
Germany :
Greece : Trirem or Companion horsemen
Hittites :
Incas :
Indians : From a long practice of wargaming I would say either a tpe of longbow or if you prefer Ghurkas (albeit they are actually Nepalese) or Sikhs
Iroquois : Brave (mounted warrior would be for plains Indians anyway).
Japan : Yamato ship
Korea : Turtleship (by aaglo) (sure)
Mongols : A heavy cavalry type.
Persia : a cavalry type
Rome : Special siege weapon (possibility ballista by aaglo)
Russia : T-34 or plane of the Soviet era
Spain : Galeon or Tercio (mixed pikes/musket in Munit)
Turks : Janissary (sure)
Vikings : Drakkar/Longship
Zulus :

 

[Akka]

Well, I noted the suggestions ^^

The Turks are definitely going to have a Mortar as an improved Bombard.
And I'm considering replacing the Sipahi with the Janissary (how could I have forgotten them !).
Japan will probably get a Zero as a replacement for the regular Fighter.

For Russia, well an advanced Plane or Modern Armor could do the trick, but if possible I would like to avoid giving both USA and Russia the same type of UU. So I'm wondering what I could give to USA. Minuteman is a no-no, as USA wasn't in any way at its peak when it get its independance. USA wasn't dominant before the half of the XXth century, so it's here that I will concentrate their UU.

Some civ also had a long time of domination, and several period where they did dominate.
For example, I can imagine France having up to four UU (improved Knight, Musketeer, Grenadier and Grand Battery), and England having up to three (Longbow, Redcoat and Man-o-War).
But this could make them perhaps too imbalanced.

On the opposite, I can't really imagine another good UU for some other Civ (Zulus, Mongols, Persia, etc.).
So, I'm wondering if I should invent one just for the sake of balance, or just let them with only one UU, even if it makes imbalanced sides...

 

[Dogmeat]

Japan should get fast nipponese infantry to replace regular infantry.
Korea should get some kind of Archer, like the hwarang from RoN.
Vikings should get Longship for sure.

 

[joycem10]

american alternate UU should be the WW2 Sherman tank. Same stats as a regular tank with a cost of around 70-80 shields.

 

[Smokey_Monkey]

For the Celts you could do stealthy Welsh Longbowmen.
The Welsh had the best Longbowmen in the world.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

America - Minuteman
Byzantium - Cataphract
England - Redcoat
Germany - U-boat
Japan - Zero

 

[Shyrramar]

Have you ever considered making a non-combat UU? For example a special worker? What about helicopters? Apache Longbow for America, for example. They do have an aerial UU already, though. Perhaps Hind would be good for Russia? Faster settlers, combat units with worker actions (like crusader..), transport ships (or helicopters/planes). If you consider something more exotic, you might even come up with something to those problem-civs...

 

[Xen]

for Rome I would say either a supposed more modern evoloution of the classic legionary, or alternatley, an upgrade that provved ot be to expensive when it was needed, and wasnt used due to the political climate whaen it could be afforded after its induction, the trajanic heavy legionary, which is very much a dude as haevilly armpurd as a foot knight of the later middle ages

 

[Xen]

and yes, by all means, Byzantium should have a cataphract

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Akka
Well, I noted the suggestions ^^

For Russia, well an advanced Plane or Modern Armor could do the trick, but if possible I would like to avoid giving both USA and Russia the same type of UU. So I'm wondering what I could give to USA. Minuteman is a no-no, as USA wasn't in any way at its peak when it get its independance. USA wasn't dominant before the half of the XXth century, so it's here that I will concentrate their UU.

I have always been an advocate of the US. Army ranger as the US' UU- basically, a paratrooper who would actually be useful in the game, with much improved stats, and drop range, but a higher price to match!

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by Xen
and yes, by all means, Byzantium should have a cataphract

Well, the cataphract was planned right from the start, don't panic ^^

For the US, well, an improved version of the Commando could do it.
That would let the Modern Armor open for the Russia ^^

 

[thestonesfan]

A Parthian Horseman would be good for Persia.

 

[bradleyfeanor]

I like the Yamato for Japan, although I would call it a Superbattleship, because they also had the lesser-known Musashi of the same class. I think I would call the suped-up Marine unit of the Americans Special Forces or a Navy Seal. Both units should probably be higher attack/defense and expensive to match. I would love to see some sort of non-combat Druid unit for the Celts, but I haven't a clue as to what its abilities could be, as I am not a modder. Another option for America could be the Landing Ship since they played such a huge role in WWII, or mabye even the mini-carrier. But, again, I have no idea what their special ability could be. I don't know if it is possible to mod-in "unit movement alowed after unloading" or anything similar.

 

[homeyg]

Maybe you should make each Civ have its own unit for each age??

 

[Birdjaguar]

If a civ has more than one UU, then a plyaer could choose at the start which they wanted. That way human players could pick one that would launch their golden age closer to when they wanted it.

 

[Titanten]

You could make a Navy Seal unit and ,not sure if you can do this, but make it so they could travel in shallow water like triemens.

 

[Global Nexus]

Carthage should definitely have the Numidian Cavalry unit, and the Numidian Mercenary would then be renamed the Libyan Mercenary. Numidian Cavalry dominated Hannibal's ranks, IIRC. Maybe a 3-1-3, shields Horseman replacement. Though, I think it'd be interesting to have ancient civs get an industrial or modern second UU. But that's just me.

 

[Akka]

Ok.
USA gets the Navy Seal, then (an improved "special op" unit, able to launch amphibious assaults and do paradrop).
And Carthage gets his Numidian Cavalry (it's true that Hannibal relied a lot on mercenary cavalry for all his campaign).

Anyone has an idea about which modern armor the Russian should get ?