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[Hamid.H]

Isn't an "alt-right Jew" an oxymoron? What makes B. Shapiro alt-right?

he used to be a pundit at breitbarf and has been catering to hyperventilating alt-righters for his entire career. he makes the nativist argument that the basis of western civilization is judeo-christian values, something that rabid alt-right nationalists and racists commonly use as a cover to further a white supremacist narrative, hate speech, and intolerance. he suggests that transgender people suffer from a "mental disorder." he opposes same-sex couples raising children. hes openly islamophobic and has stated that "arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

What does it even mean to you? I see that word thrown around so much, that I don't have the slightest clue what it's supposed to mean when people use it.

the alt-right is a broad collection of racists, bigots, misogynists, and foaming at the mouth white nationalists but the one thing they all have in common is their sympathy and unabashed support for white supremacy.

I've seen people like PewDiePie, J. Peterson and even Joe Rogan been called alt-right. I think I saw someone call Sam Harris alt-right once too. In most occasions it just seems like a word that someone who sees themselves as not-on-the-right use to smear people they disagree with, and to show how virtuous they are by calling someone out as such.

pewdiepie isnt part of the alt-right in the same sense that someone like jordan peterson, or ben shapiro is. pewdiepie isnt a figurehead, or a mouth piece of the alt-right but he has been known to promote highly antisemitic youtubers and videos containing racial slurs and white supremacist conspiracy theories to his audience. hes preformed nazi "heil" salutes and hired a pair of performers to hold up a sign reading "death to all jews." like all of the other alt-right filth he tries to pass his no-so-hidden nazi references off as satire.

jordan peterson also openly embraces homophobia and transphobia. he refuses to use his students preferred pronouns. he categorizes transexuality as "an ideological-driven leftist agenda," need i say much more? he also makes wild accusations that minorities and liberals only wish to silence and censor. he does an overall fine job of cloaking his bigotry in eloquent verbiage, hiding behind appeals to free speech like the rest of the alt-right nazis. he publicly opposed canada's c-16 bill which protects "gender identity" and "gender expression" under the canadian human rights act.

joe rogan has been good friends with alex jones for decades and has invited him onto his youtube channel on several occasions to promote his far-right conspiracy theories. need i say more?

and i dont know who sam harris is.

hh

 

[Peuri]

he used to be a pundit at breitbarf and has been catering to hyperventilating alt-righters for his entire career. he makes the nativist argument that the basis of western civilization is judeo-christian values, something that rabid alt-right nationalists and racists commonly use as a cover to further a white supremacist narrative, hate speech, and intolerance. he suggests that transgender people suffer from a "mental disorder." he opposes same-sex couples raising children. hes openly islamophobic and has stated that "arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

So a Jew can be alt-right? It's not an anti-semitic movement according to you? Wasn't Andrew Breitbart a Jew too?

Claiming that the basis of Western civ is Judeo-Christian is a nativist claim? Always? I don't get the argument that just because two groups use a similiar argument, and one of the groups is considered detestible, the first one must be too. I don't agree that the only fundament of western though is Judaism and Christianity, but they have had enormous influence. Even on the Enlightenment, one additional part that I would say constitutes the best bits of the west.

That being said, the first part didn't really convince me, and I don't think having conservative positions on same-sex marriage or trans issues is enough to label one alt-right. The Tweet about Palestinians was nasty.

the alt-right is a broad collection of racists, bigots, misogynists, and foaming at the mouth white nationalists but the one thing they all have in common is their sympathy and unabashed support for white supremacy.

So basically just an amalgamation of buzzwords you don't like mushed up into a ball to be thrown against people you don't like. I'm not saying that I'm any better. I've done similiar things too.

pewdiepie isnt part of the alt-right in the same sense that someone like jordan peterson, or ben shapiro is. pewdiepie isnt a figurehead, or a mouth piece of the alt-right but he has been known to promote highly antisemitic youtubers and videos containing racial slurs and white supremacist conspiracy theories to his audience. hes preformed nazi "heil" salutes and hired a pair of performers to hold up a sign reading "death to all jews." like all of the other alt-right filth he tries to pass his no-so-hidden nazi references off as satire.

C'mon. J. Peterson is not alt-right. He opposes some positions on the left regarding the wokest levels of feminism. If that makes a person alt-right, most people suddenly are alt-right. I've watched PewDiePie for about a year now, because of the WSJ article about the Indian video with the sign you mention, and I've got to say that accusing him of alt-rightism is a stretch. PewDiePie promoted one youtuber in one video in which he promoted like 30 other youtubers, one of which had some not so savoury material in it. The Indian bit with the murderous message towards Jews was clearly a joke to see would they portray such material. I haven't heard of the "sieg heil" bit, but I find it hard to believe it was done with malicious intent. What white supremacist conspiracy theories does he push amid his reviews of memes and trying to sell his merch? He said the magic word in a game as a curse word. The magic word has power, and curse words need power. A faux pas, clearly, but that hardly makes one alt-right.

jordan peterson also openly embraces homophobia and transphobia. he refuses to use his students preferred pronouns. he categorizes transexuality as "an ideological-driven leftist agenda," need i say much more? he also makes wild accusations that minorities and liberals only wish to silence and censor. he does an overall fine job of cloaking his bigotry in eloquent verbiage, hiding behind appeals to free speech like the rest of the alt-right nazis. he publicly opposed canada's c-16 bill which protects "gender identity" and "gender expression" under the canadian human rights act.

I've consumed some hours of Peterson's material, and I've never heard Peterson even mention homosexuality, in positive or negative light. It's not true that he wouldn't use his student's "preferred pronouns". I think it was in last year's Aspen Ideas Fest John McWhorter asked a question relating to this, in which he said he'd use them when he got to know the student and their intentions. I don't know, it's not even a lie that some transactivists try to block research into trans issues that don't fit into their visions of what transgenderism is. Just Google Ray Blanchard, Kenneth Zucker or J. Micahel Bailey. He makes wild accusations towards the academia, but then again he is not entirely wrong, because the academia is overwhealmingly to the left of center. That obviously doesn't make them Marxists keen on destroying Western civilization, but then again that sort of occidentalism seems pretty common. Again, if having not-so-savoury positions on some trans issues makes one alt-right, I feel vindicated in my position that it's basically just a smear.

joe rogan has been good friends with alex jones for decades and has invited him onto his youtube channel on several occasions to promote his far-right conspiracy theories. need i say more?

So? You can't be friends with a crazy person? I don't even know how to describe Alex Jones' conspiracy theories. He seems to think that "the elites" are connected to inter-dimensional pedophile vampires or something.

and i dont know who sam harris is.

hh

He's one of the four horsemen. Now that Hitchens is dead, he's the only one worth listening to.

Being so gung-ho with terms like "alt-right", which seems to imply some serious moral deficiency goes against your ostensible goal of opposing them. This is because people see people like PewDiePie, and hear the accusations hurled at him, and see the contradiction, making them question the meaning of the word altogether, and maybe even make it easier for real alt-right people to later come around and recruit them to their movement.

 

[Mouthwash]

he used to be a pundit at breitbarf and has been catering to hyperventilating alt-righters for his entire career. he makes the nativist argument that the basis of western civilization is judeo-christian values, something that rabid alt-right nationalists and racists commonly use as a cover to further a white supremacist narrative, hate speech, and intolerance. he suggests that transgender people suffer from a "mental disorder." he opposes same-sex couples raising children. hes openly islamophobic and has stated that "arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."


the alt-right is a broad collection of racists, bigots, misogynists, and foaming at the mouth white nationalists but the one thing they all have in common is their sympathy and unabashed support for white supremacy.


pewdiepie isnt part of the alt-right in the same sense that someone like jordan peterson, or ben shapiro is. pewdiepie isnt a figurehead, or a mouth piece of the alt-right but he has been known to promote highly antisemitic youtubers and videos containing racial slurs and white supremacist conspiracy theories to his audience. hes preformed nazi "heil" salutes and hired a pair of performers to hold up a sign reading "death to all jews." like all of the other alt-right filth he tries to pass his no-so-hidden nazi references off as satire.

jordan peterson also openly embraces homophobia and transphobia. he refuses to use his students preferred pronouns. he categorizes transexuality as "an ideological-driven leftist agenda," need i say much more? he also makes wild accusations that minorities and liberals only wish to silence and censor. he does an overall fine job of cloaking his bigotry in eloquent verbiage, hiding behind appeals to free speech like the rest of the alt-right nazis. he publicly opposed canada's c-16 bill which protects "gender identity" and "gender expression" under the canadian human rights act.

joe rogan has been good friends with alex jones for decades and has invited him onto his youtube channel on several occasions to promote his far-right conspiracy theories. need i say more?

and i dont know who sam harris is.

hh

There are times when 'crazy' just doesn't fully cover it...

Worth pointing out that the actual alt-right is pretty unfriendly towards Christianity (and would not exactly use 'judeo' as a positive descriptor).

 

[El_Machinae]

The alt-right is a weird mix of antisemitism and non-antisemitism. It's a big enough tent. Or, in other words, opposing positions on that topic aren't a deal-breaker. It's like how both vegetarians and omnivores can be liberal. Put them in a room, and they will disagree. And they're both capable of spinning their food choices within their political framework. They're still liberal.

Some alt-right think that the 'elites' unfairly control things, and are willing to describe who those elites are. Other members of the alt-right think that Israel is literally magical. A large cohort literally has the barest opinion on the topic. Many will even be able to list their preferred religions in a ranking order. You will most commonly find 'jewish' above 'muslim'.

The alt-right is leftist on trade. Rightwing on taxes. Mercantilist. They resent elites, but want elites. Nationalist when it's a zero-sum game. Very capable of viewing things in zero-sum. They resent framing that requires a spectrum.

There are few entities that broadly fit all the conditions of being alt-right. But, people are on a spectrum of alt-rightedness. And some people like to frame this in binary form, for labeling purposes.

 

[Mouthwash]

The alt-right is a weird mix of antisemitism and non-antisemitism. It's a big enough tent. Or, in other words, opposing positions on that topic aren't a deal-breaker. It's like how both vegetarians and omnivores can be liberal. Put them in a room, and they will disagree. And they're both capable of spinning their food choices within their political framework. They're still liberal.

Some alt-right think that the 'elites' unfairly control things, and are willing to describe who those elites are. Other members of the alt-right think that Israel is literally magical. A large cohort literally has the barest opinion on the topic. Many will even be able to list their preferred religions in a ranking order. You will most commonly find 'jewish' above 'muslim'.

The alt-right is leftist on trade. Rightwing on taxes. Mercantilist. They resent elites, but want elites. Nationalist when it's a zero-sum game. Very capable of viewing things in zero-sum. They resent framing that requires a spectrum.

There are few entities that broadly fit all the conditions of being alt-right. But, people are on a spectrum of alt-rightedness. And some people like to frame this in binary form, for labeling purposes.

No, you're just redefining the alt-right to include portions of the mainstream right. Even neoreactionaries don't usually fit the label.

 

[Imaus]

The Associated Press recommends: whenever “alt-right” is used in a story, be sure to include a definition: “an offshoot of conservatism mixing racism, white nationalism and populism,” or, more simply, “a white nationalist movement." Avoid using the term generically and without definition, however, because it is not well known and the term may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters’ actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience. In the past we have called such beliefs racist, neo-Nazi or white supremacist

Or,

They're edgy kids who think White Nationalism is suddenly back in vogue, mad that a black guy ruled the US for eight years, much like most of the right, but louder in their racism and dog whistling.

 

[Hamid.H]

So a Jew can be alt-right? It's not an anti-semitic movement according to you? Wasn't Andrew Breitbart a Jew too?

since when were fascists sane? if they were sane they obviously wouldnt be fascists. many people are completely capable of taking actions that are diametrically opposed to their own interests. just look at all of the lowly educated rubes who voted for trump. in ben shapiros case his islamophobia and hatred for the lgbtiq community far outweigh his own desire for self-preservation.

Claiming that the basis of Western civ is Judeo-Christian is a nativist claim? Always? I don't get the argument that just because two groups use a similiar argument, and one of the groups is considered detestible, the first one must be too. I don't agree that the only fundament of western though is Judaism and Christianity, but they have had enormous influence. Even on the Enlightenment, one additional part that I would say constitutes the best bits of the west.

first of all, this claim of a judeo-christian west is completely false and ahistoric but whats really important is the context in which fascists and white supremacists use this alt-right talking-point. they throw it out there like the west is some sort of exclusive club of judeo-christians and anyone not fitting that description is not a part of the west, was never a part of the west, and doesnt belong in the west. its revisionist history and a fundamentally intolerant white supremacist narrative. its used by nazis to promote a binary viewpoint of an exclusively white cis-gendered worldview.

That being said, the first part didn't really convince me, and I don't think having conservative positions on same-sex marriage or trans issues is enough to label one alt-right. The Tweet about Palestinians was nasty.

C'mon. J. Peterson is not alt-right. He opposes some positions on the left regarding the wokest levels of feminism.

The Indian bit with the murderous message towards Jews was clearly a joke to see would they portray such material. I haven't heard of the "sieg heil" bit, but I find it hard to believe it was done with malicious intent.

He said the magic word (a racial slur) in a game as a curse word. The magic word has power, and curse words need power. A faux pas, clearly, but that hardly makes one alt-right.

It's not true that he wouldn't use his student's "preferred pronouns". I think it was in last year's Aspen Ideas Fest John McWhorter asked a question relating to this, in which he said he'd use them when he got to know the student and their intentions.

He makes wild accusations towards the academia, but then again he is not entirely wrong, because the academia is overwhealmingly to the left of center.

Again, if having not-so-savoury positions on some trans issues makes one alt-right, I feel vindicated in my position that it's basically just a smear.

So? You can't be friends with a crazy person? I don't even know how to describe Alex Jones' conspiracy theories.

thats an awful lot of excuses for whats clearly a foul basket of deplorables.

So basically just an amalgamation of buzzwords you don't like mushed up into a ball to be thrown against people you don't like. I'm not saying that I'm any better. I've done similiar things too.

its not simply an amalgamation of buzzwords. words have meaning and the words used describes the actions and motivations of the alt-righters being discussed. being dismissive of these labels and attacking political correctness like its some sort of boogeyman is a common alt-right tactic thats used to deflect blame away from their hate speech.

I've watched PewDiePie for about a year now

I've consumed some hours of Peterson's material

sounds to me like youre sympathetic to the alt-right, which would explain the long list of excuses for the bigoted and racist behavior of well known alt-right mouth-pieces.

Being so gung-ho with terms like "alt-right", which seems to imply some serious moral deficiency goes against your ostensible goal of opposing them. This is because people see people like PewDiePie, and hear the accusations hurled at him, and see the contradiction, making them question the meaning of the word altogether, and maybe even make it easier for real alt-right people to later come around and recruit them to their movement.

clearly political correctness and common decency is the real boogeyman here. opposing hatred and jokes about nazis, genocide, and dead bodies is only helping the alt-right recruit for their movement.

hh

 

[cardgame]

Isn't an "alt-right Jew" an oxymoron? What makes B. Shapiro alt-right? What does it even mean to you? I see that word thrown around so much, that I don't have the slightest clue what it's supposed to mean when people use it. I've seen people like PewDiePie, J. Peterson and even Joe Rogan been called alt-right. I think I saw someone call Sam Harris alt-right once too. In most occasions it just seems like a word that someone who sees themselves as not-on-the-right use to smear people they disagree with, and to show how virtuous they are by calling someone out as such.

Joe Rogan is not alt right, but it certainly seems that he sympathizes with them by how many he has on his radio show and by how never he calls them out on their bull. PDP is at least a gateway, alt-lite maybe, oh and after the NZ attack he stopped following all of his twitter follows because they highlighted how terrible of a person he really is (you can judge a man by the quality of his friends). Peterson may not be alt right but almost all of his fans are so you can see how people draw conclusions.

Anyway, here's wonderwall Ben Shapiro.

 

[Kyriakos]

@cardgame Nice chart.

 

[El_Machinae]

No, you're just redefining the alt-right to include portions of the mainstream right. Even neoreactionaries don't usually fit the label.

Not really, the alt-right is an odious subset of people that fit kind of into the mainstream right, and a portion of them flop out to be unacceptable even within the mainstream right. I don't think of it as a fairly large group. It's just a significant group. But, again, it's just a spectrum thing. Yes, some of their features will carry over to include other groups. That will always happen. We have a hard time defining the word species. Having rock-solid definitions for a recent political movement isn't going to be super clear-cut.

I can think of vast swaths of the mainstream right that I don't think as alt-right. I can think of members of the alt-right that would not be acceptable within the mainstream right. And there's some overlap.

Joe Rogan isn't alt-right by almost any stretch. He fails to call out nearly anyone. He can have a non-confrontational conversation with a UBI proponent (and think its great) and have a non-confrontational conversation with a gold-bug (and think it's great). He just doesn't ask hard questions, even if he can ask interesting ones.

 

[Estebonrober]

Joe Rogan is not alt right, but it certainly seems that he sympathizes with them by how many he has on his radio show and by how never he calls them out on their bull. PDP is at least a gateway, alt-lite maybe, oh and after the NZ attack he stopped following all of his twitter follows because they highlighted how terrible of a person he really is (you can judge a man by the quality of his friends). Peterson may not be alt right but almost all of his fans are so you can see how people draw conclusions.

Anyway, here's wonderwall Ben Shapiro.

That's a pretty good diagram! I like the citations, those make me happy.

 

[Patine]

To show that (A) how tolerant the left can be of antisemitism as long as it serves their cause, and (B) suggest that maybe there is a conversation about Muslim immigration that the actions of a few attention-seeking psychopaths shouldn't silence.

The phantom hallucinatory delusional non-existent bloc of "the Left" strikes again. I seriously recommend a psychiatrist for you paranoid, conspiracy-based delusions, instead of continuing to spew them here and expecting them to be taken seriously and with credence. And this is NOT a "strawman," but an empirically-observed problem and neurosis who show that's obvious, even to a fool.

 

[Mouthwash]

You win the 'get Mouthwash to laugh till he cried' award, though I imagine you (and the creator) are being perfectly serious here.

(5, 6 and 7 are just jabs at mainstream conservatism, silly! The alt-right is notable for rejecting free market orthodoxy; it's literally one of its distinguishing characteristics. And they explicitly support abortion for minorities or to prevent miscegenation.)

Not really, the alt-right is an odious subset of people that fit kind of into the mainstream right, and a portion of them flop out to be unacceptable even within the mainstream right.

No, they don't. By definition. They are called alternative for a reason.

 

[El_Machinae]

They self-named. It's not an objective label. There is no "by definition" in any authoritative sense.

I could say that I'm a Martian. And when someone else points out that I share a bunch of traits with a human, the retort "you just described traits that included him in the group of humans" doesn't fly.

I started my description with "they're leftist on trade" and then you're "oh, you just redefined them to be part of the mainstream right". So, uh. Laughing till I cried on that one, I guess.

 

[Peuri]

since when were fascists sane? if they were sane they obviously wouldnt be fascists. many people are completely capable of taking actions that are diametrically opposed to their own interests. just look at all of the lowly educated rubes who voted for trump. in ben shapiros case his islamophobia and hatred for the lgbtiq community far outweigh his own desire for self-preservation.

Fascists believe things that are false and things that are immoral, but of course fascists are sane. People who are sane have been doing terrible things since for ever. Are Islamic terrorists not sane? Blaming atrocities on mental illness is mental-illness-o-phobic, or something. I'm sure there is a word for that. Blaming mental illness on the existance of your political opponents is just a way to not have to think about why they do the things they do.

first of all, this claim of a judeo-christian west is completely false and ahistoric but whats really important is the context in which fascists and white supremacists use this alt-right talking-point. they throw it out there like the west is some sort of exclusive club of judeo-christians and anyone not fitting that description is not a part of the west, was never a part of the west, and doesnt belong in the west. its revisionist history and a fundamentally intolerant white supremacist narrative. its used by nazis to promote a binary viewpoint of an exclusively white cis-gendered worldview.

As a New Atheist convert I went into the uni believing this. But after 7 years of actually studying the history of western thought I don't anymore. I'm not going to fall on the sword of Christianity of all things, but what you are saying is completely ahistoric. Christianity and Judaism have informed almost every aspect of Western thinking from the birth of science to human rights to racism even for the simple reason, that the overwhealming majority of elites in the West since the middle ages have been Christian. Obviously it's not the only basis, but to try to discredit Christianity's and Judaism's influence is revisionist history. Obviously I don't know what someone really means when they claim something is the basis of Western civ, but saying that it's Judeo-Christian isn't that far of a stretch. Sure today it's religious roots are waning, and sure there are other influencing factors too.

thats an awful lot of excuses for whats clearly a foul basket of deplorables.

its not simply an amalgamation of buzzwords. words have meaning and the words used describes the actions and motivations of the alt-righters being discussed. being dismissive of these labels and attacking political correctness like its some sort of boogeyman is a common alt-right tactic thats used to deflect blame away from their hate speech.

I don't know. You use so many of those words, that I feel your posts are more performances to people who think like you, than posts to try to convince people who would question them. Sorry if that was mean. But I am rather dismissive of those labels, because they seem to be ever increasing in the objects that they can be used to refer to, and in the end I don't know what they are used to mean anymore, other than that the person doing the labeling doesn't like the person being labeled.

sounds to me like youre sympathetic to the alt-right, which would explain the long list of excuses for the bigoted and racist behavior of well known alt-right mouth-pieces.

I want to know what all the fuzz is about, and make my own decision, instead of relying on someone to make one for me. So if I don't just fold to your barrage of accusations, the conclusion you make is, that I must be alt-right too? Alt-right seems to be a weird quality, that you can contract through physical and vocal contact.

If alt-right is Nazism, I'm not sympathetic. If alt-right is a few funny memes and some old guy telling me I need to clean my lobster...

clearly political correctness and common decency is the real boogeyman here. opposing hatred and jokes about nazis, genocide, and dead bodies is only helping the alt-right recruit for their movement.

hh

I don't know about that. Younger people tend not to like it when authority figures tell them what to do. But the accusations that alt-right is hiding under every rock is nauseating. Sounds more like a moral panic to me, to say that Nazis are suddenly everywhere.

Maybe B. Shapiro is alt-right. Maybe alt-right is an internally incoherent set of beliefs, or maybe there should be another name for people like Shapiro. In all honesty, I have listened to maybe one interview about him, where he was rehashing A. Breitbart's talking points about "the left" controlling the media, I think. Maybe I should listen some more to him. But if alt-right is just a cooler way of calling someone a Nazi, as @Imaus provided a definition, I remain thoroughly unconvinced that PewDiePie, Peterson and Rogan are Nazis. That obviously doesn't mean that there are no Nazis at all.

 

[Peuri]

[...]Avoid using the term generically and without definition, however, because it is not well known and the term may exist primarily as a public-relations device to make its supporters’ actual beliefs less clear and more acceptable to a broader audience.[...]

My point exactly:

Being so gung-ho with terms like "alt-right", which seems to imply some serious moral deficiency goes against your ostensible goal of opposing them. This is because people see people like PewDiePie, and hear the accusations hurled at him, and see the contradiction, making them question the meaning of the word altogether, and maybe even make it easier for real alt-right people to later come around and recruit them to their movement.

Joe Rogan is not alt right, but it certainly seems that he sympathizes with them by how many he has on his radio show and by how never he calls them out on their bull.[...]

In your estimation who are those people that you consider alt-right that he has interviewed? I know he's interviewed B. Shapiro, but who else? I've never heard Rogan say anything bad about PoCs, something you'd expect a Nazi (= alt-right) person to do. The only thing that he has been critical of, that maybe someone would consider alt-right it seems, is the some positions on issues like intersectional feminism and trans rights. I'd rather he let his guests talk, and I can hear what they say, than some moderator coming in and exposing them, or what ever. Instead of pushing more and more people under the label of "alt-right", people who oppose the core of their beliefs, should try to find common ground with people on the borders of alt-rightism.

PDP is at least a gateway, alt-lite maybe, oh and after the NZ attack he stopped following all of his twitter follows because they highlighted how terrible of a person he really is (you can judge a man by the quality of his friends).

I thought the gateway theory was debunked? Or is that only when it's about drugs? Oh snap, I better unfriend all my friends, they are all lazy bums.

Peterson may not be alt right but almost all of his fans are so you can see how people draw conclusions.

I'm not so sure even this is true. Undoubtedly the alt-right (Nazis) like that he blames Marxists for this and that, because they tend to be opposing ideologies, but to say that "almost all of his fans are" alt-right seems a bit of a stretch. I'd like to say that most of his fans are confused and disillusioned young men, but I'd be pulling that one out of my rear end, like you did with this claim.

Anyway, here's wonderwall Ben Shapiro.

Again, just because a person A and a person B share beliefs X and Y, doesn't mean that A and B share an ideology. There is overlap obviously, but the tent seems just too large. This is the sort of thinking that makes run-of-the-mill conservatives suddenly Nazis.

I've even heard accusations hurled at Peterson to be exact, that border on this line of thinking: "Peterson claims that people should take more responsibility of their own lives. This sort of thinking goes against the welfare state, because the welfare state relies on solidarity. Racists want to remove the welfare state, because PoCs are less off and as such they benefit more from a welfare state. Racists are fascists. Therefore, Peterson is a fascist."

 

[r16]

ah , well , it turns out the attack was overplayed and 50 people died in vain as 52% still happened or something .

darül-Harb denotes -in practical terms- a place that should be taken over by force and the lot ; forcing people into a corner by accusations of Islamophobia does not really help either . You see , having read one single post . Well , one must accept that one day Leftists of Islamic faith would also be seen as a threat and played accordingly .

 

[abradley]

"The Economist apologizes for labeling Ben Shapiro 'pop idol of the alt right'

By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Thursday, March 28, 2019
The Economist magazine apologized Thursday for an article that labeled Jewish conservative firebrand Ben Shapiro a “pop idol of the alt right.”

“This article has been changed,” an editor’s note now reads at the top of the article. “A previous version mistakenly described Mr. Shapiro as an ‘alt-right sage’ and ‘a pop idol of the alt right.’ In fact, he has been strongly critical of the alt-right movement. We apologize.”
(continued)
http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/28/economist-apologizes-labeling-ben-shapiro-pop-idol/ "

It seems it ain't so.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It seems it ain't so.

Seems more like Shapiro squalled like alt-right media icons always do when their position is described accurately but bluntly and got the statement retracted. It's still accurate.

 

[cardgame]

Remember when pewdiepie was uncool because he was for 12 year olds?

then he said the n word and whoosh