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TheLoneMan
The Original Reindeer
$499 PS3
20 GB Hard Drive
$599 PS3
60 GB Hard Drive
Wi-Fi
SanDisk Memory Card Reader
Pro Duo Memory Card Reader
2 More USB Drives (to a total of four)
Xanikk999 said:
The word 'Wii' can be pronounced easily in any language, and it is supposed to resemble gamers coming together to play.
Little Raven said:
Well, if you think on a 'per dollar' basis, then the PS3 has an internet browser, Blu-Ray player capabilities, functionality as a computer (installing Linux is surprisingly easy), and free online multiplayer.
Whereas, if you purchase the HD-DVD add-on to the Xbox 360, the prices for the Premium/Core Xbox 360 match up with the 60GB/20GB PS3.
Also, if you plan on owning your Xbox 360 and playing online games (which most people do) for, say, three years, you have to factor in $5 per month for 36 months, so the Xbox 360 actually ends up costing $180 more after you own it for three years, and that number only increases the longer you have it.
Not to mention the fact that Blu-Rays are superior to HD-DVDs in every way imaginable: there is more space per layer, and it has thinner layers, meaning you can have either more layers per disc if you need it, or a scratch-resistant protective layer.
Cheetah
Deity
Nintendo! 
Wii!
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess!
Wii!
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess!
GoodEnoughForMe
n.m.s.s.
Xbox 360 has a substantial lead right now, since it's been out for a year, but the early consensus is that the Wii blew the PS3 out of the water so far, and that Nintendo is looking to gain back a lot of the market share.
Xanikk999
History junkie
The Lone Man you obviously did not study your history on business.
Better products but pricier does not always mean its an instant sucess.
Look at what happened with beta-max VS VHS.
Its the same with DVD vs Blu-ray! THE EXACT SAME THING!
Better products but pricier does not always mean its an instant sucess.
Look at what happened with beta-max VS VHS.
Its the same with DVD vs Blu-ray! THE EXACT SAME THING!
Yeeek
Seizing The Day
360's sales already took a big bump with the release of Gears of War. Also, microsoft announced they will have sold 10M of consoles by the end of december.. Hm will they manage to do it? So far the 360 seems to be in good shape to win the next-gen war.
Also, the wii isn't next gen at all reguarding its graphics, its a tad better than the Nintendo Cube. A gadget as game controller doesn't qualify as next gen for me.
(yes i have a 360 so i may be biased)
Little Raven
On Walkabout
Yes, but when I buy a console, I probably don't care about any of that. Most console buyers are interested in playing games, not browsing the internet or watching Blu-Ray. Especially when you consider that it's far from clear which expanded DVD format will ultimately emerge as the winner. If the HD DVD comes out on top, then I've paid for a Blu-Ray player that is essentially worthless. With the 360, its an add on that I only pay for if I really want it.
No, Blu-Ray is decided inferior in one very, very important way: price. Remember what happened to BetaMax.
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GoodEnoughForMe
n.m.s.s.
Problem is, free Wi-fi multiplayer and internet browsing is on the Wii also.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Tough choice between the 360 and the Wii. I voted the 360 just because the Wii might be just a little bit too far out there. Still, I think both of them are going to smash the PS3.
TheLoneMan
The Original Reindeer
I was talking strictly on the 'bang fer yer buck' aspect of affairs.
I think the PS3 will win simply because its graphics, processing power, and game delivery method (read: Blu-Ray) will allow for greater innovation and larger levels, higher-res textures, etc.
Also, since the X360 doesn't support HDMI, developers are less inclined to develop games in 1080p.
And sure, the PS3 launch titles looked like crap... but compare them to the X360 launch titles?
And of course, the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray is different than BetaMax vs. VHS because this time around most of the major production studios are making movies in Blu-Ray as opposed to HD-DVD.
TheLoneMan
The Original Reindeer
Sorry for the double-post, but again: I was talking strictly on the competition between the PS3 and the X360.
GoodEnoughForMe
n.m.s.s.
Sullla
Patrician Roman Dictator
Interesting question, certainly one that's being debated endlessly on Internet forums everywhere as we speak. At the moment, I'd have to say that the XBox 360 is in the best position, which of course could change dramatically a year or two from now. By getting their system out a year before the other companies, Microsoft has put themselves in excellent position to grab a large market share, in much the same way that the PS2 dominated the last generation by being the first one out of the gate. The 360 launch was notoriously bad, but with no competition in sight, that wasn't too much of an issue. With second-generation 360 games on the market right now that look AND play better than first-generation PS3 games, it's going to be tough for Sony to make headway among hardcore gamers, at least in the immediate future. Since the 360 also costs less (and we know a price cut or bundle deal will be coming after Christmas in 2007), and has better online service, and has many, many more games (exclusive and ports) right now, there's just no logical reason right now to buy a PS3 over a 360.
The PS3... a year and a half ago, I would have said there was no possible way for Sony to screw this thing up, but things just don't look too good right now. Clearly, their biggest problem was assuming that everyone would buy the PS3 regardless of price, just because it had the SONY brand name on it. Based on that assumption, they decided to use the PS3 as a trojan horse for their proprietary Blu-Ray Disc format. Now in theory that sounded like an unbeatable combo, but adding Blu-Ray skyrocketed the cost of the PS3 (it actually costs over $800 to make) and has resulted in massive shortages and production delays. Even worse, the highly touted Cell processor is apparently extremely difficult to program on, and (perhaps the absolute killer) PS3 games do NOT look noticeably better than 360 ones. In fact, many ported games actually look BETTER on the 360 than on the PS3 right now - not exactly the best news for such an expensive, high-end console. Not to mention that only people who have very pricey HDTVs (roughly 10% of the population) can even make use of many of the PS3's graphical features.
Here's what I'll never understand: the PS2 was the most successful console of all time (over 120 million sold) because it reached out beyond the core base of hardcore gamers to reach mass-market status with casual gamers. People who never play games (like my brother, girlfriend, etc.) - they all have PS2s. Yet when Sony designed the PS3, somehow they deliberately priced the system outside the range of what casual fans were willing to buy, instead designing a console that appears to cater to the high-end, early-adopter (niche) crowd. God alone knows why they would do something like that... arrogance and greed are the most likely answers.
I haven't mentioned the Wii at all, most because I have no clue how the system will do. Clearly it's doing outstanding right now, with tons and tons of positive buzz surrounding the console. The real question is whether Nintendo can maintain that momentum once the initial novelty wears off, in 2007 and 2008. There are a lot of developers lining up to program for the Wii right now, but Nintendo has been very poor in that regard of late, so the verdict is still out. Whether casual gamers stick with the Wii will largely determine its overally success; if Nintendo can effectively tap that market, the system has the potential to be a gigantic success. Even if the Wii would "fail" by capturing only 33% of the market, Nintendo would still rake in the cash, so the Big N looks to be pretty good shape right now. (As opposed to Microsoft's XBox division, which in 5 years has NEVER turned a profit in any fiscal quarter, or Sony's SCE division, which is projecting 1.7 billion dollar losses for the upcoming fiscal year.)
I see both the 360 and Wii doing well in the immediate future, with the PS3 being some distance behind. It's possible that the PS3 may pick up in sales down the road, but at least initially the system is going to lag FAR behind the other two. Sony is already selling the system at a massive loss, so a price cut seems unlikely in the near future, and all of the most-desired PS3 games won't be coming out until late 2007, at the earliest (and some of the "exclusives" may no longer be exclusive by that point in time). If system sellers like Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5 don't come out until 2008 (which is looking quite likely), the console war may already be over for all intents and purposes by that date, because gamers aren't likely to wait another full year before purchasing one of these consoles.
The PS3... a year and a half ago, I would have said there was no possible way for Sony to screw this thing up, but things just don't look too good right now. Clearly, their biggest problem was assuming that everyone would buy the PS3 regardless of price, just because it had the SONY brand name on it. Based on that assumption, they decided to use the PS3 as a trojan horse for their proprietary Blu-Ray Disc format. Now in theory that sounded like an unbeatable combo, but adding Blu-Ray skyrocketed the cost of the PS3 (it actually costs over $800 to make) and has resulted in massive shortages and production delays. Even worse, the highly touted Cell processor is apparently extremely difficult to program on, and (perhaps the absolute killer) PS3 games do NOT look noticeably better than 360 ones. In fact, many ported games actually look BETTER on the 360 than on the PS3 right now - not exactly the best news for such an expensive, high-end console. Not to mention that only people who have very pricey HDTVs (roughly 10% of the population) can even make use of many of the PS3's graphical features.
Here's what I'll never understand: the PS2 was the most successful console of all time (over 120 million sold) because it reached out beyond the core base of hardcore gamers to reach mass-market status with casual gamers. People who never play games (like my brother, girlfriend, etc.) - they all have PS2s. Yet when Sony designed the PS3, somehow they deliberately priced the system outside the range of what casual fans were willing to buy, instead designing a console that appears to cater to the high-end, early-adopter (niche) crowd. God alone knows why they would do something like that... arrogance and greed are the most likely answers.
I haven't mentioned the Wii at all, most because I have no clue how the system will do. Clearly it's doing outstanding right now, with tons and tons of positive buzz surrounding the console. The real question is whether Nintendo can maintain that momentum once the initial novelty wears off, in 2007 and 2008. There are a lot of developers lining up to program for the Wii right now, but Nintendo has been very poor in that regard of late, so the verdict is still out. Whether casual gamers stick with the Wii will largely determine its overally success; if Nintendo can effectively tap that market, the system has the potential to be a gigantic success. Even if the Wii would "fail" by capturing only 33% of the market, Nintendo would still rake in the cash, so the Big N looks to be pretty good shape right now. (As opposed to Microsoft's XBox division, which in 5 years has NEVER turned a profit in any fiscal quarter, or Sony's SCE division, which is projecting 1.7 billion dollar losses for the upcoming fiscal year.)
I see both the 360 and Wii doing well in the immediate future, with the PS3 being some distance behind. It's possible that the PS3 may pick up in sales down the road, but at least initially the system is going to lag FAR behind the other two. Sony is already selling the system at a massive loss, so a price cut seems unlikely in the near future, and all of the most-desired PS3 games won't be coming out until late 2007, at the earliest (and some of the "exclusives" may no longer be exclusive by that point in time). If system sellers like Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5 don't come out until 2008 (which is looking quite likely), the console war may already be over for all intents and purposes by that date, because gamers aren't likely to wait another full year before purchasing one of these consoles.
TheLoneMan
The Original Reindeer
Well spoken.
I suppose, but the 'hard to program' thing you are referring to was an issue with the original devkits that were handed out to developers. Sony (just like Microsoft and Nintendo) made a lot of major changes to the devkits leading right up until launch, which made the launch games amazingly difficult to create (at one point Sony even changed the programming language), and, in order to release the game on time, graphics and physics were scaled back in quality.
This is also the reason that ports sometimes look better on the X360.
That is very true - Sony designed the PS3 around the phrase 'future proof', which is why they added in the Blu-Ray (and its super sexy curves =D)
Also well spoken - the biggest problem for the Wii is the future, not the launch. I think its the other way around for the PS3.
There are already enough die-hard Sony fanbois out there that, for the forseeable future, PS3's will be selling out within minutes of them hitting the shelves.
The best plan for Sony, in my opinion, is for them to focus on supply and a price cut on the first launch anniversary.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Well the only reason I'm getting PS3 is MGS4. Plus the games on other systems do not really appeal to me.
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
When you stop to think about it why wouldn't you buy a PS3?
The high end Xbox 360 is 500, you need to dish out another 100 for WiFi. for the same price you get the PS3 plus you get a blu ray player on top of it. PS3 games even at 720p blow away the 360. Wait until developers take full advantage of the PS3's capabilities!
The Wii is an excellent family system that will appeal to everyone all ages.
The high end Xbox 360 is 500, you need to dish out another 100 for WiFi. for the same price you get the PS3 plus you get a blu ray player on top of it. PS3 games even at 720p blow away the 360. Wait until developers take full advantage of the PS3's capabilities!
The Wii is an excellent family system that will appeal to everyone all ages.
Xanikk999
History junkie
Because they dont have any good games yet?
Incorrecto! The 499 version comes with the hardrive and is internet ready. And its not garunteed wether the PS3 will be a huge success or not.
TheLoneMan
The Original Reindeer
The PS3 will have games. There's still a wealth of high-profile exclusives lined up for the PS3, many more than the Xbox 360. After Gears of War was out of its system, the 360 doesn't have a whole lot left to offer. And, let's face it, although GoW was great for about 10 hours, its short single player and rapidly boring multi player will catch up with it eventually.
And once supply issues are resolved, it will start to pick up steam and the Xbox 360 won't be able to gain much ground. They had a one year head start, but they won't be lengthening their lead, especially since their system is actually just as expensive as the PS3. Games are already getting bigger, and very soon, most games will be released in a DVD format, which costs more money because it could have two or even three discs for a particular game, as well as being released in an HD-DVD format, which will be cheaper. This will spur interest in the HD-DVD player add-on, and thus people will begin to realize that the PS3 is (if you're playing HD) the better value.
Also, as HD-TV's become much, much, much cheaper, the HD capabilities of the PS3 (i.e., HDMI!), will begin to look more and more attractive.
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