No Americas map??

[MadMaligor]

As a huge Colonization fan (I actually still play a game now and then) I was a bit disappointed after reading gamespots latest review...

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/sidmeierscivilizationivcolonization/news.html?sid=6193071&part=r

Im hoping that the balance factor is still in the works for an Americas map and J Miller at Gamespot just didnt have access to it in with the demo they provided. Not having a historic representation of the New World is about as huge an omission as one could make in a game like Colonization.

My first thought is that it will be there and not to panic, the guy just didnt investigate properly and get a confirmation. Having said that, if it is true, then we will have to rely on the community here at large to provide one. That thought is not entirely a bad option, modders here do a lot of awesome work, but it still leaves a little bad taste in the ol mouth.

So even if things dont pan out and we get a game I would consider "incomplete", at least the editor is present from the get go and we will all be very familiar with its use (Civ IV style).

If there is anyone out there with confirmation one way or another, any info would be appreciated

MadMal

 

[RedRalph]

I heard this but I just cannot imagine that this is true. the entire premise of the game is to colonise the americans, the random map is only to make it replayable. It cant be right.

 

[i_diavolorosso]

Yupz!!
I was very shocked when i read if there is just a random map available.

But, please!!
This is game focusing about colonizing america, the new world
Not colonizing a random island

 

[Greybriar]

Im hoping that the balance factor is still in the works for an Americas map and J Miller at Gamespot just didnt have access to it in with the demo they provided. Not having a historic representation of the New World is about as huge an omission as one could make in a game like Colonization....

If there is anyone out there with confirmation one way or another, any info would be appreciated

MadMal

Reading the article I see:

[quote="Jon Miller, GameSpot]...this version uses the Civ IV engine and focuses on the settlement of the New World....[/quote]

That was reassuring as I have always equated the "New World" to be synonymous with North and South America. However, later in the article I read:

[quote="Jon Miller, GameSpot]....The game is also played out on randomly generated maps as per past Civ games, which is too bad. A real-world Manifest Destiny mode on a geographically accurate map, on which colonies would each have to race to dominate the Americas, would have been a fun idea. Such geography remains reserved for the Total War franchise, but at least Colonization will ship with a nifty map editor.....[/quote]

Since in the original Colonization the player was given the option to play on either a map of the Americas or on a random map, I had assumed Civilization IV: Colonization would offer the same options. Surely Jon Miller's sneak peek of the game didn't afford him the opportunity to play on a map of the Americas. After all, that's what the original game was all about--colonizing the Americas.

 

[Tboy]

I'm guessing they'll make one by the time of release, à la Alpha Centauri (to refresh your memory, you had a choice of playing on the 'true' map of planet or a randomly-generated one). They seem to be putting quite a lot of effort into this, and they're probably just focusing on the game itself before creating a map.

 

[cephalo]

If they don't put this in, I guarantee it will modded on the day of release. Even if there are no set map scenarios, there will be a map script that exactly recreates the Americas. Fear not.

EDIT: You will probably have like 10 versions of the Americas in the first month.

 

[Robovski]

Yeah, I'd say you're right. If they don't give one, there will be one made by somebody quickly. And then they will probably put together an Africa mod and a India one too.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Dale is already getting together a mod project for Colonization and if no one else makes one, he will. I personally will also guarantee a that map of the Americas will be out shortly after release, even if I have to make it myself. No doubt there will be room to improve on any map Firaxis includes anyway -- larger sizes, more detail, etc.

 

[MrPopov]

wasn't the original Earth map included in Civ just Rhye's map? So in reality Civ 4 didn't really ship with a Firaxis-made map.

 

[kolpo]

Some previews mention that colonization shall have a map editor. If they already have a map editor won't making an American map take them long, it doesn't seem me like something that requires a lot of development time. If so many fans can be made really happy with something that requires only a very small amount of development time, don't I understand why they wouldn't include it.

Maybe because a premade map gives the player a huge edge against the AI: the play shall right from the start know where the treasure rich Inca/Aztec cities are, he shall know where to find certain resources, which regions are ideal for cotton/tobacco/sugar and furs production.

 

[Shurdus]

If they don't put this in, I guarantee it will modded on the day of release. Even if there are no set map scenarios, there will be a map script that exactly recreates the Americas. Fear not.

EDIT: You will probably have like 10 versions of the Americas in the first month.

Indeed. Within a week it will be available, whether the game ships with it or not.

 

[Panzeh]

To be honest, I don't like playing with the America map because there's no real exploration. I prefer random maps because you never really know where anything is.

 

[Rexflex]

I doubt there won't be one included in the actual release. Just because the preview didn't have one doesn't mean the release won't. It'll probably be one of the last touches.

 

[GIO888]

It would be literally insane not to have the default map as the Americas.

I can't believe 2K would be that stupid.....

Oh, wait a minute......

 

[Refar]

They probably have decided to skipp out the Americas map because of that increadible "The game is rassist" BS.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

The game lets you be just as racist with the other civs.

 

[Rexflex]

They probably have decided to skipp out the Americas map because of that increadible "The game is rassist" BS.

Doubtful. We still have historic European colonist countries and native American tribe names set firmly in the un-modified game no matter what map you use. Nobody would be fooled by the lack of an actual Americas map.

 

[r_rolo1]

Either way, if CivCol does not bring a Americas map, I'll simply trim RFC one and port it there Child's play, if you ask me....

But making a game about the European Colonization of the Americas without a RL Americas map ...

 

[Zenon_pt]

It's quite curious. From what the article says we can not 'create' Mexico, as was in the traditional old game with the Spanish, but give the opportunity to create the Gran-Colombia and Argentina -two South American states.
And now here's my question - WHY DIDN'T THEY ADD PORTUGAL TO 'CREATE' BRAZIL?

 

[i_diavolorosso]

I guess we just need few days until someone make those map to us.
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