Noble help?

[Greeneyedzombie]

Its well worth going for a diplomatic victory before going up a level because learning diplomacy is very useful indeed.

Diplomatic I find really hard to pull of. at least when I can't vote myself leader. Earlyist I managed was on noble at 1423 while bieng the smallest nation/population. Still trying to figure out what I did to pull that of. Funniest was I was aiming for space victory at 1500/1600.

Oscar: don't move up to prince until you can consistantly win at around 1800. That's the date the AI ussually launches their spaceship. Maybe a bit later, not sure about that.
Good luck with your conquest. don't forget to raze those cities.

 

[OscarWildebeest]

Oscar: don't move up to prince until you can consistantly win at around 1800. That's the date the AI ussually launches their spaceship. Maybe a bit later, not sure about that.
Good luck with your conquest. don't forget to raze those cities.

Crikey, 1800? That's early. I'm certainly not ready for that, yet.

I'm in the middle of what will probably be the Final War of my Conquest campaign. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[Greeneyedzombie]

Hé, 1850 is oke too. It will probably more of a close call. But don't worry about that. Now that you have won your first game, you will improve fast. Won't be long when you will be fighting against the AI one or two eras ahead of them.
Recently I'm trying conquest too. But lose interest really quick in taking over all those civs. To much of a hussle taking moving all those units. I'm still to much of a builder. All those shiny wonders. I must have them.
IF you have any tips let me know.

 

[OscarWildebeest]

Resist the temptation, GEZ. Or, if nothing else, let the wonder-building be done by the cities far away from the front line.

Oh, by the way, I achieved Conquest in 1976. Would have been sooner if the AI hadn't decamped its cities off the mainland and onto the ice caps. In the end I had about fifty more units than I needed. Waste of good hammers... Still, better too many than too few.

 

[Greeneyedzombie]

Resist the temptation, GEZ. Or, if nothing else, let the wonder-building be done by the cities far away from the front line.

Oh, by the way, I achieved Conquest in 1976. Would have been sooner if the AI hadn't decamped its cities off the mainland and onto the ice caps. In the end I had about fifty more units than I needed. Waste of good hammers... Still, better too many than too few.

Not bad, maybe you should vassalage them, if they are so far away.

I try. I really try not to give in to temptation.. But you see, I know when I have enough units and can stop building them. so then my cities build the rest of the buildings they need. And then the wonders. when those are finished a whole new sets of buildings can be build. Wich I of course start building right away. Ussually just after that my army runs in trouble. Just to make a long story short, then I just become a full time builder. with plans for future conquest. But allas, they just remain plans. there is always something to build.
Maybey one day with the game I'm trying now I will succeed not to build everything and conquer the world.

 

[Shoot the Moon]

GEZ, do you set up a city focused solely on building military (an HE city)? My recommendation would be to set up one high hammer city with a barracks, He, granary, and possibly a stables (if you are thinking of building mounted units) and then have it build ONLY units. A good HE city should be able to pump out a top of the line unit in 1-3 turns (at epic). This rate is enough to keep your military up to date, with the possibility of a war. Just make sure to keep the city focused on building only military.

 

[Greeneyedzombie]

Just make sure to keep the city focused on building only military.

The focus is the problem. My army is ussually up to date. And my cities don't ussually need HE to produce 1 unit every 2 turns. I manage after a war or 2 to have 3 or more of those cities. But they make such good wonder builders.
And that is where it always goes wrong.
Currently playing 18 CIV on the earth map on prince with the goal of conquest. Its 200AD and already conguered most civs. only china mongolia and japan and the americas are free of my rule. But I'm already bored with the war and started building all the wonders. My cities have nothing better to build. Maybey I'm not teching fast enough. So I can build something else then wonders. Soon I will be able to build banks and observatorys.
I think my main problem is to stay interested in conquest.
So my question will be.
How in earth do people stay interested in war and conguest?

 

[cabert]

The focus is the problem. My army is ussually up to date. And my cities don't ussually need HE to produce 1 unit every 2 turns. I manage after a war or 2 to have 3 or more of those cities. But they make such good wonder builders.
And that is where it always goes wrong.
Currently playing 18 CIV on the earth map on prince with the goal of conquest. Its 200AD and already conguered most civs. only china mongolia and japan and the americas are free of my rule. But I'm already bored with the war and started building all the wonders. My cities have nothing better to build. Maybey I'm not teching fast enough. So I can build something else then wonders. Soon I will be able to build banks and observatorys.
I think my main problem is to stay interested in conquest.
So my question will be.
How in earth do people stay interested in war and conguest?

read again : focus!
If you dedicate one city to military buildings, that allows all your other cities to build whatever you need.
That's the difference between specialization and no specialization.

 

[Greeneyedzombie]

I do. But I'm ussually really good in estimating if I have enough units to conguer everything, and then stop building them. When I do need more I just put them in the que before the things I'm building. And my military production center tends to change. Ussually in a city close to my front. Most likely a recently captured city with its surrouding heavily changed by my workers, to support production.
But even then, I get bored really easaly from war.

 

[KMadCandy]

OK, maybe not Time or Diplo, but I'd like to manage Conquest at least once. I'm not far from it in my current game (I'm even closer to Domination but I'm trying to push for the harder challenge).

time can be the hardest if you have them all enabled actually, just from having to try hard to not trigger any of the others. if you really want to hit it for completeness there's some cheesy tactics you can use (i needed one of each for HoF purposes, and you do need to keep all enabled there). but there's no movie so i'd skip it if i were you.

diplo i do recommend trying. it can be very educational, and what you learn ends up useful for every type of game, even if you get your first by "stacking the deck" (hand-picking AIs for their favorite civics, for example). some of the games i'm proudest of are the ones i won by diplo without having anywhere near enough votes on my own. two were OCC, go me (altho not surprisingly i failed miserably at deity, see below). there's no movie for it either btw.

if you are interested in learning more about diplo strategies, you might want to take a peek at this thread. i linked it because it's not in the war academy. it's the currrent HoF G-Major, and won't fully apply since it's being played at Deity and they're aiming for the earliest win they can get. but the information there, particularly in the middle to the end of the thread, i learned from.

 

[JackRules]

I'm a Noble player also, getting ready to jump up to Prince. I've won my last 4Noble games, but no conquest or domination wins. I would like to win one military game before I move up. My last game as one of the Khans I eliminated Ramses and vassaled Brenus with one city on an island. Unfortunately at this point Wang had only 3-4 ss parts left, so I was in a real pickle. My choices: Take on Wang (on another continent) with inferior numbers, try to head towards space (Apollo was just completing), or take on Alexander (also on another continent) because he was trailing in tech. Well, I took on Alex while furiously building ss parts, and suddenly get named sec/gen, call for a vote, and win a Diplo thanks to Ghandi voting for me. Still no military wins, but I will keep trying.

 

[OscarWildebeest]

Not bad, maybe you should vassalage them, if they are so far away.

I would, but I'm playing Vanilla.