Nobles Club CXXV - Qin

[Robert FIN]

325BC- 700AD

Raising the Army

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My round starts with Barbarian assault to the city of Xian. Barbarians have archer, I have stationed Axeman, Barbarian won and razed Xian. Odds: 10%... Ofc I reloaded, this accident would totally have ruined my game.

Let's get back to the real game ! I met Joao of Portugal:

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Chengdu was founded next to Mycenean barb city:

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Sorry, I forgot resource bubbles from above screens...I turn them on now

Gilgamesh on the map:

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Gilgamesh turns out to be a stupid idiot:

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FINE!! Go away now!!

Hangzhou was settled:

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Mycenian falls in 250 AD.

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New idea comes into my mind: I have came quite big with my empire and my tech rate is rather slow. So could now tech construction and crush Stalin with Swordpult strike.

Tianjin was built:

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The chinese are ready for war now. I have 1.6 units against Stalin's 1.

Here is some map details:

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Does the forums have something to say to my campaign?

Save:

 

[CivNoobie]

@ Rob

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the tech rate is incredibly slow for the AIs playing on Monarch (UNBELIEVABLELY SLOW!)

but I think you don't have enough workers (2 workers for each cities so you should have at least 15)

you are also playing too fast

 

[Robert FIN]

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Before I forget, I want to thank you for your another kind reply ! Tech rate is probably slow because our map is such a jungle.. AI must be suffering from that too. That's good because I have had difficulties on keeping up teching for now, because of jungle and war preparation. Wait till I get away from the jungle ! Workers are my common problem.. I always build too few. However, I must insist that I built so many units that I had to take the hammers from something.. Oh well.. And about playing time: Yup, I play fast. I hope it doesn't affect to the gameplay too much. There are still some good fast players in the forums.. Like TMIT .

 

[Robert FIN]

700AD- 1130AD

Unleash Hell

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Chinese-Russian war begins at 700AD.

Worker steal number 1:

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Worker steal number 2:

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Novgorod has WALLS !! Lets keep bombarding then...

Novgorod falls:

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Took us took swordmen to take because I wanted to hurry. Had the winning odds, but that's what happened. C'mon, no worries, we are the chinese so we have reinforcements- always !

After many turns falls Rostov (sorry for late screenshot...)

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Izzy:

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Machinery bulb!!:

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St. Petersburg was captured:

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After many years Moscow was captured.

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Thanks for the shrine, Stalin!

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City of Yaroslavl was taken.

After that, I fool Stalin to give me Theology before finishing him off from map:

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Map;

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Am I doing good? After finishing Stalin I'll stand back and recover from the war.

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[Robert FIN]

About the map script:

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Rainforest. It seems for me that its meant to offer you a rough and slow start to you in the middle of jungle. After that it goes nice. I mean, look at the food rate! Great! And so much grassland instead of sucky plains after chopping down the jungle. Then go cottage ! I'm enjoying the map, thanks a lot, Noble Zarkon !

 

[sinimusta]

@Rob

I think that you should keep rolling instead of recovering economy. I suppose you're going for domination so tech towards Engineering. I don't think the AIs will hold against trebs and other stuff. For domination having a healthy economy doesn't matter that much if you can catch the AIs quick enough.

Also I suggest using chain capitulation. For this you need Feudalism if you don't have it yet. Getting all cities takes time (more time for other AIs to tech and train army) and pays maintenance. Instead start war, push the AI to cap and move on to the next target. Repeat until win.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

325BC- 700AD

Raising the Army

My round starts with Barbarian assault to the city of Xian. Barbarians have archer, I have stationed Axeman, Barbarian won and razed Xian. Odds: 10%... Ofc I reloaded, this accident would totally have ruined my game.

Maybe it's because English is not your native language but you can't really describe a win at 10% odds as an accident Up to you how you play this game but if you really don't like these types of things perhaps play with No Barbarians rather than reloading the game when something goes against you.

Glad you're enjoying the map script

 

[Robert FIN]

Maybe it's because English is not your native language but you can't really describe a win at 10% odds as an accident Up to you how you play this game but if you really don't like these types of things perhaps play with No Barbarians rather than reloading the game when something goes against you.

Glad you're enjoying the map script

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Umm.. Yes, my english maybe is still a little.. shaky.. ! I try to tell this again more clearly: 1 barbarian archer jumps out from fog of war near Xian. He, the enemy, attacks my new city where is my fortified axeman. I think that the risk is too small and let the noob attack into my city. Xian lost and razed. I go and check the odds from combat log. It says that the barbarian has 10% odds to beat my city. I think that it wasn't acceptable to ruin the game because of that "accident". Reloading is unsportsmanlike, but I don't really know why I got puhinshed like that. Got it now? Was it unfair in your opinion.

@sinimusta: I must go now so I answer to you after school. Sorry.

 

[Robert FIN]

@Rob

I think that you should keep rolling instead of recovering economy. I suppose you're going for domination so tech towards Engineering. I don't think the AIs will hold against trebs and other stuff. For domination having a healthy economy doesn't matter that much if you can catch the AIs quick enough.

Also I suggest using chain capitulation. For this you need Feudalism if you don't have it yet. Getting all cities takes time (more time for other AIs to tech and train army) and pays maintenance. Instead start war, push the AI to cap and move on to the next target. Repeat until win.

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I have now time to post reply ! I haven't thought about victory condition yet. Domination sounds really interesting. I haven't usually been too good warmonger so let's do it this time. However I kind of disagree with the vassalling plan. I think that in my case its easier to k.o. all the others, except Joao/Gandhi pact. Joao just pumps out units and Gandhi gives him all his techs.. Otherwise capitulating people are fine, I just want to get the domination limit filled and not face them.

 

[Robert FIN]

1130AD-1430AD

Evil Plans

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At the start of this session, I notice that Stalin, with only 1 city, vassalled to Gilgamesh.

I trade Feudalism myself, tech Engineering and start building the army back.

My only free neighbor is Elizabeth, so she can be my target. Too bad, I was at friendly with her, but I have no choises for now..

Well, Actually there's not much to tell. Just built up an another army. Check the save to see if its OK to attack.

War-Map:

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By the way, Sinimusta:

I don't see attacking to Joao to be a too bad problem, actually! He is not too far away in power. Let's see how the game rolls, but I'm going to capitulate England now.

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[sinimusta]

@Robert

Didn't check the save but judging from the screenies it looks like you might be getting your first (or have you won it already?) monarch win. You could use the whip more though, all your cities in the screenies are sizes 8-12. Those English cities will fall to your strong looking army. How is your GG promoted? A medic guy could be more useful with the northern stack which is larger.

 

[Robert FIN]

@Robert

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Didn't check the save but judging from the screenies it looks like you might be getting your first (or have you won it already?) monarch win. You could use the whip more though, all your cities in the screenies are sizes 8-12. Those English cities will fall to your strong looking army. How is your GG promoted? A medic guy could be more useful with the northern stack which is larger.

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Thanks for the analyze ! In fact I have a monarch victory with Gandhi (in the inland sea game), I just went all Culture there ! Its still great moment to my Civ progress when I win this game! My army is quite strong, like you said, 1.5. units per Liz' 1 unit. It should be a strong victory against England. You are also right about too lofty whipping. I should have done that more and I'll fix that during next possible army build-up. For my own defence, I'll say that here are a plenty of awesome tiles to work in my cities so it makes the whip a little less powerful. Great General was used to get some promotions to my unexperienced army in Russian-Chinese war, in other words, I shared the experience. It might have been stupid trick, but then I didn't have mounted units. I should've built supermedic scout.. Oh well, that happens. At least I have many CR2 Maces now !

 

[pandamancer]

@Robert

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Good job at taking Stalin. I would advise if you make a heroic epic (your are industrious remember?) somewhere to hasten your unit production? In my case, I built it near your "Xian" city site but if you do find a better spot that will be nice. (Actually the capital is good but I rather build other things for that)

Btw, your Guangzhou city placement is good. It can be a powerhouse later on.

Maybe it is just me but I find that you can do better if you place Chengdu closer so as to work on the floodplains with Xian and less distance maintenance. I don't think settling for the sake of marble in the first ring is a good decision. But still right now you can also share tiles with Mycenean so it is not a bad deal afterall.

In case you in the verge of crashing your economy (which happened to me), don't forget that vassalage can reduce the upkeep cost of your army. But you have to check the trade off of the free units outweigh its high civic cost. Good luck!

 

[Robert FIN]

@Robert

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Good job at taking Stalin. I would advise if you make a heroic epic (your are industrious remember?) somewhere to hasten your unit production? In my case, I built it near your "Xian" city site but if you do find a better spot that will be nice. (Actually the capital is good but I rather build other things for that)

Btw, your Guangzhou city placement is good. It can be a powerhouse later on.

Maybe it is just me but I find that you can do better if you place Chengdu closer so as to work on the floodplains with Xian and less distance maintenance. I don't think settling for the sake of marble in the first ring is a good decision. But still right now you can also share tiles with Mycenean so it is not a bad deal afterall.

In case you in the verge of crashing your economy (which happened to me), don't forget that vassalage can reduce the upkeep cost of your army. But you have to check the trade off of the free units outweigh its high civic cost. Good luck!

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Thanks for your post ! Good that you told me about the HE. I was going to forget it... I don't even know if I have Literature or not . I'll get it. I'm happy to hear that you find my city placement good in overall sight. And civics could be better, yes. I must check that screen as my first priority when playing my next session. Vassalage is a civic that I haven't used very much. It could be useful since my army is (maybe) 2nd strongest in the world.

 

[Amao]

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Thanks for your post ! Good that you told me about the HE. I was going to forget it... I don't even know if I have Literature or not . I'll get it. I'm happy to hear that you find my city placement good in overall sight. And civics could be better, yes. I must check that screen as my first priority when playing my next session. Vassalage is a civic that I haven't used very much. It could be useful since my army is (maybe) 2nd strongest in the world.

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After I built the HE, that city normally would be dedicated to building units non-stop the rest of the game. So, normally I won't pick the capital. But it's your call. You can build palace somewhere else anyway.

 

[Robert FIN]

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After I built the HE, that city normally would be dedicated to building units non-stop the rest of the game. So, normally I won't pick the capital. But it's your call. You can build palace somewhere else anyway.

OK, I won't build HE to the capital site. I check some other nice city !

 

[Robert FIN]

1430AD-1480AD

Chinese Blitzkrieg

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*Click to the link to see the image*

In 1440AD:
http://imageshack.com/a/img12/9849/ymsa.jpg

Sorry Liz, I DoW at pleased too... You should've continued on being at friendly with me..

First falls Newcastle, Islamic shrine, I wasted a catapult and a trebuchet to that.
http://imageshack.com/a/img46/4899/b7rn.jpg

Hastings captured:
http://imageshack.com/a/img689/5360/v3qp.jpg

And Cha-Ching!!:

http://imageshack.com/a/img440/6580/gg7y.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img854/6323/bvs3.jpg


Mighty China capitulates England. That was fast n' easy.

I really don't know what to do next, so could you help me a little?

What shall I do next? I'd like to go for Joao, but I fear he is too strong and he might get some gunpowder stuff into battlefield.

HELP!! (please )

Cho-ko-Nu was excellent By the way !

Here is the save and its waiting you for to check it out .

 

[sinimusta]

@Roobert
I say go for him now. Since he has Gandhi as his vassal you should either focus on Gandhi or Joao first. I think this time Gandhi would be better, he's small and will fall quite fast.
The thing is Joao with a vassal won't cap to you easily but without the vassal it will happen faster. Gandhi is also closer to you.

I don't think the Guilds trade was a good one. You even don't get access to knights without HBR. But the main isue was the loss of gold; you might need the money to be able to keep on warring longer without having to go on strike.

 

[Robert FIN]

@Roobert
I say go for him now. Since he has Gandhi as his vassal you should either focus on Gandhi or Joao first. I think this time Gandhi would be better, he's small and will fall quite fast.
The thing is Joao with a vassal won't cap to you easily but without the vassal it will happen faster. Gandhi is also closer to you.

I don't think the Guilds trade was a good one. You even don't get access to knights without HBR. But the main isue was the loss of gold; you might need the money to be able to keep on warring longer without having to go on strike.

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Thanks for the help! You are right (once again) about that I must focus on one target on time. I thought that Joao would be the first target. The reasons were 1) Gandhi is wimp so he won't do any harm unlike Joao and 2) Gandhi will declare himself free from Portugal masters when I press Joao a little. Well well, you are more experienced so I thrust your words, and I want to respect the help I get. And your argumets were reasonable too. About the trade, yup, I can now see that it wasn't particularly good. I didn't know that knights need HBR. I could still use this "mistake" and tech HBR. Knights are useful, since Joao is far away.

 

[Amao]

@Robert

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It's time to transform into workshop economy. Change civic into Caste System and workshops get an extra boost. On your way to Steel, Chemistry add another hammer to workshop. Now any city with enough food will be a good production city. And you can also build cash to ease your maintenance drain. If the game last long enough, get Communism and transform into State Property will further boost your production.