None Shall Pass 2 [Game Thread - Concluded]

I'm Empire not mafia. The second, and last imperial. My role is Talon Karrde (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_Karrde). I started the game as a town-sided alignment scanner who got the result against Count Dingdong on night 1. I scan for alignment, and scan for corruptibility (i.e. if a person is susceptible to bribery, blackmail or conversion).

I was converted by Winston on night 1 (I know, ironic that the corruptibility scanner was himself corruptible), the same night as my scan on Dingdong. I discovered that Dingdong was Evil and Incorruptible (so probably Morgothian). Winston was our converter (and had the death star every second day phase, starting from day 3). He didn't have a cover role, so we decided that he would claim the scan for himself, and claim my role as his cover so that people would trust him. Thus, he contacted people privately revealing the scan against Dingdong and hopefully establishing for himself a trustworthy role.

Then, it turned out that there was a scan against him, and our plan of using my town-sided original role as his cover role fell through. I initially voted for Dingdong, but once it became clear that he was going to hang, Winston said I should bus him, so that hopefully I can survive and we can avoid total defeat. I didn't like that plan since he was our converter, hence my post voting for Winston yesterday is utterly full of doubt. Of course, the town lynched him.

What are the empire's goals? We want to outlive the Morgothians and the Jedi. We want to establish an orderly government over all of middle earth, where people are judged based on their skills and merits, and not based on their place of origin. We want to expunge religious zealotry, be it Morgothian or Jedi.

Tarkin basically spelled it out in his death update

Day 2 Updated the death of Tarkin said:
"I have a dream. A dream of a world ruled not by petty ethnic conflict, but by firm - but fair - government led by capable administrators. Free from religious zealots and narrow-minded attitude. We must strive to work for-"

Of course, we is just me now. I just have my scan. No conversion, no kill, nothing else. I want the Morgothians and the Jedi dead. I have no quarrel with the town. I'm willing to use my scan to find Morgothians for the town, since then at least I will get to destroy one of the two factions the empire needs to outlive. If people think the Jedi are pro-town, there's nothing I can do against them anymore and I'm willing to work with them against the Morgothians.

That said, given Lightsaber Man's nightkills, I advise you all to be careful of trusting them. There won't be an Empire, Sith AND Jedi faction amongst the SWs, and having the Jedi as an informed, pro-town minority with a nightkill is just too convenient. Remember what Zack said.

rules said:
The bad guys could be anyone. Similarly, anyone can be good or neutral

But once again, I can't do squat anymore except scan for alignment and corruptibility, so if people trust the Jedi, I'll trust them to.

So there.

As for Christos, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. There's no mafia faction in this game, but he scanned me, and I'm really not a townie, though I don't pose any threat to the town.

unvote: vote: CivGeneral


We've gotten a lot of information from pressuring Christos. Perhaps there is some hope for pressuring people like TFT and CivGeneral after all.
 
Official Tally!

[TIMER=3/2/2015 11:59:59 PM EST; Day Three Over]tunnel snakes rule[/TIMER]


Spoiler :
6 spaceman98 (christos200, edse, Snerk, Arakhor, KingMorgan, remake20)

4 christos200 (choxorn, Buddhafish, Tanar Aerdoth)

2 CivGeneral (azzaman333, spaceman98)

1 Legato Endless (Kennigit)
1 Verarde (Sprig)
1 Takhisis (Swammerdami)

0 No Lynch (n/a)

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2 Abstain (Riedquat, Takhisis)

9 Not Voting (Backwards Logic, BSmith1068, CivGeneral*, Double A, Legato Endless, Newyn, TFT*, topsecret, Verarde)

Remember, the top TWO candidates will be lynched today.
 
It's what we appear to be heading for. I'd settle for a Double A+christos200/spaceman98 lynch, but no one else seems to be wanting to lynch the batteryman.

Official Tally!

[TIMER=3/2/2015 11:59:59 PM EST; Day Three Over]tunnel snakes rule[/TIMER]


Spoiler :
6 spaceman98 (christos200, edse, Snerk, Arakhor, KingMorgan, remake20)

4 christos200 (choxorn, Buddhafish, Tanar Aerdoth)

2 CivGeneral (azzaman333, spaceman98)

1 Legato Endless (Kennigit)
1 Verarde (Sprig)
1 Takhisis (Swammerdami)

0 No Lynch (n/a)

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2 Abstain (Riedquat, Takhisis)

9 Not Voting (Backwards Logic, BSmith1068, CivGeneral*, Double A, Legato Endless, Newyn, TFT*, topsecret, Verarde)

Remember, the top TWO candidates will be lynched today.


If your willing to lynch double A, then vote for him, instead of voting for dead townies.
 
Let's mix it up a bit. CivGeneral, what do you have to say for yourself?
 
If the Jedi are indeed anti town as it appears increasingly likely to be the case if Spaceman is to be believed then Snerk is Obi-Wan Kenobi and could potentially be the Lightsaber Man.
 
Seeing spaceman's revelations is enough to unvote christos. I don't really have another case, I probably missed the flinch or didn't pay attention to it but I am content with spaceman's explanation and I will vote DoubleA both to pressure and because I trust christos now.
 
Yeah sorry that could have been more clear but that was my comment in regards to Sith. It wasn't Double A that I had in mind when I made that comment yet he was quick to qualify his previous statements. It doesn't make him wrong, just means he flinched.

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My thoughts on current lynch choices;

I don't think a Spaceman lynch is in our best interest. He can confirm townies and hunt Morgoth. That is worth keeping around. Yes, even for you, Jedi Order.

Christos is not that great a lynch either though less bad than spaceman. I understand the basis for his claim. So he is not making anything up, it is just that it isn't reliable in more ways that one and therefore not a surefire way to find scum. Smoking barrel maybe but not the silver bullet.

Snerk is a terrible lynch, just terrible. Not only do his post just scream town but he has been effectively scanned town.

Civ G hasn't been active... so on a two lynch day maybe no loss? but maybe a great loss. Same goes for TFT here too.

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My suspects;

Double A - for his flinch. really weak case though.
Verarde - For his closed up shop approach.
azzaman333 - i simply know nothing about him
remake20 - active in the background silent in thread.
Takhisis - voting dead guys? less interested in content and more banter...
 
Snerk has only offered up a member of the empire and it's only his word that he has been scried.
If the empire needs the Jedi dead, then obviously the Jedi needs empire dead. Based on the current information, Snerk is far from cleared Sprig.
 
I agree that Spaceman is probably a bad Lynch, and possibly Christos is a bad Lynch as well. We need other Lynch candidates.

If the Empire is benign doesn't it seem logical that their foes, the Jedi, would be malign?

If the Jedi are indeed anti town as it appears increasingly likely to be the case if Spaceman is to be believed then Snerk is Obi-Wan Kenobi and could potentially be the Lightsaber Man.

I received a PM (not from Snerk) last Night allegedly attempting a recruitment to Jedi. (I was off-line and couldn't have accepted recritment even if I wanted to.) The PM'er knows who he is. I'll give him the chance to spin it publicly, or in PM to me, before I reveal.
 
Official Tally!

[TIMER=3/2/2015 11:59:59 PM EST; Day Three Over]tunnel snakes rule[/TIMER]


Spoiler :
5 spaceman98 (christos200, edse, Snerk, KingMorgan, remake20)

3 christos200 (choxorn, Buddhafish, Tanar Aerdoth)
3 CivGeneral (azzaman333, spaceman98, Arakhor)

2 Double A (Sprig, JohannaK)

1 Legato Endless (Kennigit)
1 Takhisis (Swammerdami)
1 Snerk (Newyn)

0 No Lynch (n/a)

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2 Abstain (Riedquat, Takhisis)

8 Not Voting (Backwards Logic, BSmith1068, CivGeneral*, Double A, Legato Endless, TFT*, topsecret, Verarde)

Remember, the top TWO candidates will be lynched today.
 
If the Empire is benign doesn't it seem logical that their foes, the Jedi, would be malign?

I think spaceman is being a little bit vague. He notes all Jedi but I don't think he meant it intentionally. I note that Winston in his reveal to Bsmith states Jedi Council.

Painting all Jedi as possibly dangerous is foolish. Also, basing the outcome of one Jedi against the rest would be just as foolish.

And secondly - considering you role... you should know this better than anyone.
 
I'm Empire not mafia. The second, and last imperial. My role is Talon Karrde (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_Karrde). I started the game as a town-sided alignment scanner who got the result against Count Dingdong on night 1. I scan for alignment, and scan for corruptibility (i.e. if a person is susceptible to bribery, blackmail or conversion).

I was converted by Winston on night 1…
You're cult? You're going down, man.
Yeah sorry that could have been more clear but that was my comment in regards to Sith. It wasn't Double A that I had in mind when I made that comment yet he was quick to qualify his previous statements. It doesn't make him wrong, just means he flinched.
Which, added to my all-time distaste for the man, leads me to vote:Double A once again. Oh, and I'm third on the coutnerwaggon. Choo-choo!
Sprig said:
Takhisis - voting dead guys? less interested in content and more banter...
Honourable Supurigu-san, this is impolite of you. I did make a QFT post and say I'd decide between spaceman-me and christos-san later. You have no refined sense of humour, no.
Getting nothing from CivG, but hopefully he'll be replaced or WoG'd.

unvote; vote: Takhisis.
And this is why…?
 
Vote: Double A, btw, since there's still that ridiculous typo which our overlords haven't fixed.
 
Skills of American snipers do not match those of fine art of ninjutsu, you ignorant gai-jin!
 
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