Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinain schoolgirl
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No English ones? I could get by in it - I'm better with Yiddish - but I doubt most of the rest of the boards could.
First of all it wasn't in the West Bank, but in the Gaza strip.
Secondly, remote is of course in urban terms.
The outpost is a few hundred meters from the borders of the town (and not in the way to anything relevant to the town's inhabitants), with the area between the outpost and the town composed of sand dunes and bushes and knowingly declared a closed military zone.
The school, of course, was even further out.
civver_764
Deity
Post wasn't directed at you. =/
Maimonides
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I don't understand this thread at all.
A couple of days ago, gunmen ambushed & killed 4 Israeli civilians including a pregnant woman while they were driving in a car. Hamas claimed responsibility. Today, Obama is meeting with Netanyahu & Abbas in Washington.
Yet, instead of discussing that, the OP dredged up a five year old article & you guys have spent 7 pages debating it as if you're all stuck in a time warp & oblivious to the present...
This conflict is very real. It's a matter of life & death for many people. It saddens me when something so important is used for mental masturbation.
It greatly disturbs me to watch CFC posters who have never been to the area in question, never sat down to dinner with an Israeli family, never had a glass of shai in a Palestinian cafe, never hung out with a Bedouin as he watched his goats constantly debate a conflict they know practically nothing about over & over & over again.
That young Palestinian girl who died five years ago & those Israelis who died a couple of days ago are real people. They had hopes, dreams, families. They deserve better than to be your internet entertainment.
A couple of days ago, gunmen ambushed & killed 4 Israeli civilians including a pregnant woman while they were driving in a car. Hamas claimed responsibility. Today, Obama is meeting with Netanyahu & Abbas in Washington.
Yet, instead of discussing that, the OP dredged up a five year old article & you guys have spent 7 pages debating it as if you're all stuck in a time warp & oblivious to the present...
This conflict is very real. It's a matter of life & death for many people. It saddens me when something so important is used for mental masturbation.
It greatly disturbs me to watch CFC posters who have never been to the area in question, never sat down to dinner with an Israeli family, never had a glass of shai in a Palestinian cafe, never hung out with a Bedouin as he watched his goats constantly debate a conflict they know practically nothing about over & over & over again.
That young Palestinian girl who died five years ago & those Israelis who died a couple of days ago are real people. They had hopes, dreams, families. They deserve better than to be your internet entertainment.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Why are you so against accountability?
GoodGame
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Justice is case by case. And there's nothing stopping any member from starting unique threads on new topics. That said, I doubt any under 12 years old on this forum doesn't comprehend the reality of the conflict.
@ Maimonides
I have sat down with a few families from there who immigrated to the US. And they all despise and hate the Palestinians to a degree that precludes any rational discussion. It isn't that they hate Hamas, because I believe most of us can agree Hamas is disgusting using ambulances and children instead of risking themselves, but that isn't it. They hate all Palestinians and refuse to discuss the possibility that even some of them might want to live and go their seperate ways.
As for when the incident took place I was unaware until the last bit it was that old. I was picturing it being a year or less.
I have sat down with a few families from there who immigrated to the US. And they all despise and hate the Palestinians to a degree that precludes any rational discussion. It isn't that they hate Hamas, because I believe most of us can agree Hamas is disgusting using ambulances and children instead of risking themselves, but that isn't it. They hate all Palestinians and refuse to discuss the possibility that even some of them might want to live and go their seperate ways.
As for when the incident took place I was unaware until the last bit it was that old. I was picturing it being a year or less.
Where are all these well-informed children kept again?
I always knew there was a reason the mods hid the Staff Room...
GoodGame
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MobBoss
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This went to a court of law. How much more accountable do you want it to be?
Apparently you want courts disbanded simply because you dont agree with their verdict, based upon your own myopic and small bit of information gleaned from a biased one sided news story?
So we should dictate accountablity and justice based on available media and dispense with the judicial system?
Ok.
How well do you think that would work out?
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
What do either of those have to do with anything?
zulu9812
The Newbie Nightmare
You're implying that the Guardian are misleading people by saying that, when in fact "confirming the kill" was part of Captain R's defence: the Guardian had to report it.
zulu9812
The Newbie Nightmare
Israelis do target and kill civilians. Their investigations are usually whitewashes. And Palestinians don't fight for religion: they fight for land.
civver_764
Deity
That Israel needs to be held to a higher standard or stop getting the treatment it gets.
Higher than the US itself?
BTW, the US also supports Pakistan and Egypt in billions of dollars in aid.
civver_764
Deity
How about the same level. The US isn't exactly first place as far as human rights goes though.
How terrible.
Aid money isn't supporting the actions of a government.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I wouldn't call an Israeli military tribunal a "court of law". That is being a bit disingenuous to say the least, especially based on their extensive history of complete whitewashes regarding the Palestinians. Even you have stated that there must be overwhelming evidence which we are not privy for some odd unexplained reason to rationalize this particular decision.
That raises an interesting point. Israel has been the largest recipient of US foreign aid for decades, and almost all of it has been earmarked for defense which is obviously no longer needed.
Shouldn't Israel be repaying that generosity by providing foreign aid to the US, instead of still receiving it in our times of economic hardship? Say $5B per year for the next few decades earmarked to help to repair all the damage those policies have caused to Muslim-Americans for so many years?
Alright. Do you sincerely believe the US has a better track record than Israel concerning human rights?
And I agree, the US isn't the first place as far as human rights go. But the places that are the "first place", pretty much exist thanks to the presence or actions of the US.
It is easy to have a clean sheet when you don't have any sex.
Perhaps it's not meant to, but it does: the money goes straight to the government.
I would have thought that the Scandinavian countries probably top that list (as they tend to in related ones), and America has them to thank for its existance actually. Bloody yanks, or in this case want-to-be-yanks
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