NotW XXXI: It's a Long Story (Game Thread)

[Earthling]

Wow, did NOT expect that to be over. In fact, still reading up.

Congrats to BL's team...couldn't beat you in the end Lost by one or two votes (if we got Diamondeye, BL was lynched next if at all possible).

Also, Renata secretly not being an elf, yeah, that really hurt.

I must say, Zack and I really were dealt an atrocious hand, and never stood even the tiniest chance of winning. Even if Renata hadn't been an infiltrator, it would have been incredibly difficult to get anywhere towards our goal, especially given that our Svartalfar opponents had far more useful abilities than we did.

I agree. This makes both elf factions seem really screwed - only two players, Good elves couldn't kill, and an infiltrator. In fact, apparently the other Good-related factions all seemed to lack kills...for us I couldn't complain since we had enough going, but our goal became to just avoid getting targeted/randomly killed, since none of us had the strength the to survive. But Hazlett/the Paladins seemed to have things tough too. Edit: nevermind, the Paladins were just inactive/lazy

In another story, my faction had one of the few wins that didn't rely on strength. Of course, 1000 gold is not easy at all to accumulate. And to those wondering why I sided with BL after Sprig and Seon died, it was simply because I sort of enjoy my interesting record of surviving to the end of almost every game to die gloriously in the final battle.

I offered several times for you to join up with me; I told you they'd kill you in the end and they killed your partners (for instance BL not wanting to switch from sprig to Niklas). But 1000 gold is a lot - I could certainly have payed 50+ over a couple turns and shared various items, but yeah, that's tough with sprig around to convert items.

The Dark elves - well, I'm a bit annoyed at CivG's poisoning, and voting for me without hearing me out. Seriously, like 5 people voting within one hour at the end of that Night - I wasn't trying to game anything, had asked Zack or civplayah to accuse Diamondeye much earlier, but didn't have the time that night. And Love was asleep...

Wait: Tuxedohamm could prevent a lynch!!!! And why didn't you contact me. I never liked Triangle (the three people who got the Square/Triangle/Circle message - that was awesome, I was going to continually reference that. I really thought at the time, since they both talked about the Crown, and lame cover story by ATPG, that tuxedo and ATPG were Esus. Thought TLO was Good though. Now I know I could have just asked: "Are you Order" )

I'll have more thoughts/details in a while. For those interested

-I actually cured BL's curse from the start (night 2). What a mistake that was for my team! We figured you were someone powerful but you coulda been good/evil/whatever..argh

He was dying. To be cured, either Earthling or CCrunner had to dispel the curse. Then, Winston Hughes had to heal him. This gave him the "Form the Nightwatch" ability, which he used finally at the end of the game.

His amulet was rigged to explode once he formed the nightwatch, injuring him and shattering. This weakness was fixed when SiPi improved it.

Where's that facepalm pic that always changes (kidding, don't post it) So not only did I help him out (Disquisition was at least trying to get paid off/ask for an item) but Winston and Stuck in Pi helped him for free!?

-I actually did kill Niklas. Via dispell magic - removed his endurance abilities so his injuries killed him.

For the record, you guys are playing an utterly flawless game so far and it's mind boggling.

Diamondeye interdicted Choxorn - which was good, because Beefy had sent in orders to Enthrall Choxorn. DE, who is now immune to conversions, shrugged it off and Choxorn killed him.

Also, you now have +1 extra strength from that knife, Choxorn.

Haha, look at the Ashen Veil Quicktopic. You guys are SOOOO welcome.

-I'm mad at the merchants, both for trusting BL, and for stealing MY WAND. That's right. Stinking liars that they'd upgrade it and give it back.

-Props to teammates Disquistion and Love. If Disquisition had lived one/two phases longer we would have given him all sorts of protective items...he'd have been very strong. Love was great, slight mistake talking about the Staff to BL (he didn't know I'd told BL about that) and of course being on Swedish snow holiday at the end so he coudn't vote Diamondeye.

-Thanks to civplayah for keeping his cool too. I discovered civplayah from a cold reading of the thread -no prior contact, and just said "Hi Priest of Winter." But we kept things confidential, he was of enormous help against the Ashen Veil; our plan to get Methos on the Nightwatch obviously didn't work in the end (I/Love tried to dispell Methos to change his loyalty again) but it was worth a shot.
Edit: Aw, Methos had a goal to "convert" too. If only we'd found a GOOD converter...like the Bannor Priests apparently could do (Omega).

-Diamondeye had me fooled but I knew he was an enemy of mine the whole time. At first I thought he was a cultist - due to the talk about AV which seemed faked/inside info (how I discovered civplayah too). Then later I was sure he was a vamp, his dealings with the Ashen Veil, working with j65, going after the knife. Anyway switched teams more than anyone, and I was I could have dispelled him instead since "freeing someone" was my Personal Goal

About Income - about 1/3 into the game I figured out our faction probably had like many times the income of others. I started at 6 gpt, got to 7 with the Doviello vote (also pointed to civplayah ) But we couldn't use the gold to fuel any abilities, only to bribe others...and we didn't have actual strength or votestrength so those were major weaknesses.

Oh, and I wish we'd kill IMPWarman before he became ATPG. Only sure way to beat ATPG I think - kill him before he even joins

Lastly:

AWESOME GAME TheForestAuro (edit: MAJOR thanks sprig/Lord Sauron for ruining BL's flawless victory. Especially since I was a day away from openly opposing him too...)

(I'm still reading to see who had the Esus artifacts) I didn't know any artifacts, but I heard a couple folks talk about the Crown, so I knew that was one. I made up a "Sceptre"

PS: Love already posted our quicktopic...you can see all my scheming...and wrong theories.

 

[Zack]

Wait, so I still don't get who the Ljos Magi was that I was supposed to find.

And I knew something was up once "The Infilitrator" posted in the Ljos QT, then immediately afterwards me and Winston were both attacked. I asked Renata if she had sent the link to anyone besides me, Winston, and TFA, to which she said no. Turns out that was true, and then she backstabbed me.

But basically I thought Winston and I were screwed this game.

 

[Earthling]

I like how there were all these "marks" and neither Love nor me ever detected them using our scans.

Apparently the Crown was the only Esus item and BL had it the whole time? Argh...I scanned him the very first night, his Amulet blocked it so I only found he had the Amulet. We (Disquisition) were hoping to ask for the Amulet in payment for curing the curse - but didn't know who he was at the time obviously...

Also: what did Love actually succeed in destroying that belonged to BL? The Amulet I guess? But BL must have been given a ton of items -the Ashen Veil Pearl and the Map, some of the merchant's items...if only others had been hoarding (like I was - Love must've had like 5 or 6, I had no items on me when I died except the Pendant)

Edit: Oh, and Backwards Logic - why did you kill Disquisition when you did? Maybe he let something slip - I was definitely worried about my team revealing too much, we had too many mutual contacts. After you seemed to trust me Love wasn't supposed to ever contact you again...but what about Disquisition?

And TFA - what was the final strength breakdown? I mean I know the four Nightwatch team was strong, but stronger than everyone else? Considering Csargo, Love, the Adventurer all had high strength...I don't know though, maybe the merchant didn't hold onto his items and the Nightwatch had them all?

 

[TheForestAuro]

Zack, CCRunner was a Ljosalfar Magi. Look at his race

 

[Zack]

Oh I don't know how I missed that. Thanks.

 

[Renata]

First time I died on night one. Bummer. Who was it that killed me? BL?

Yep. We decided to start off by killing good players who weren't often terribly active, since they represented dangers to us without the compensatory effect of being accessible to manipulation.

Something additional had popped up by the time it came to Nictel, but I can't remember what it was.

 

[Renata]

After that and the apparent reveal of CCRunner as the third AV (I'm glad nobody suspected a fourth!),

I did. One thing I can claim credit for being right on, where BL was wrong. CCRunner wasn't suitably panicked by being (to all appearances) the last of his team; then there were the PMs I exchanged with the pair of you, which suggested more coordination than you were admitting to.

I think your role (the way it worked out, that is) must have been the best in the game to play. Kudos to finding a way to win.

Niklas/choxorn/CCRunner -- fabulous job. And we had nothing whatsoever to do with taking you down.

 

[TheLastOne36]

So CivGeneral killed me.

 

[choxorn]

Yeah, we were kind of pwning for a while. And the sad thing is, we could have totally averted our destruction. Earthling wasn't actually goign to call us out like we thought he was, so trying to continue teaming with him would have kept him from revealing Niklas and CCRunner. As to me, I actually got a PM saying I had TLO's mark put on me, but forgot about it either because it didn't have any effect or I was tired when I read that. Had I mentioned that, CCRunner could have removed that and saved me.

Sigh...

For all our efforts, and for being teammates of one of the Nightwatch, we demand the title of 2nd Place.

Oh, and BTW, TFA, you haven't yet posted either Beefy's (Dreamwatcher) or Renata's (Spy) role PM's.

 

[TheForestAuro]

Role: Hybrid Elf Infiltrator
Race: Half Ljosalfar/Half Svartalfar Elf
Alignment: Neutral
Strength: 2(3)
Faction: Esus
Item: Mirror Mask (You appear to the viewer as a member of their race. Anyone who scans you for nationality will view their own race as a result.) [Face Slot]
Item: Hand Crossbow (+1 Strength)[One-Hand Slot]
Income: 7 gold/turn

Many of your kind have given up hope. It is unfortunate that when you express this sentiment, you often hear the question posed to you; “Which of your kind? Do you mean your Ljosalfar or Svartalfar brethren?” This, in essence, is the failure of diplomacy and the sort of divisive questions that keep your kind apart from the structured peace it once knew.

As an advocate for elf advancement, you have snuck two groups of elves into the undercouncil and hidden them from each other. You thought that as long as the two groups could not find each other they would continue to act as legitimate councilors and this will lead to the betterment of your species as a whole, but the Captain of the Nightwatch has set into motion his plan of action. He has opened your eyes to the problems that face the council in its present state, and you reluctantly agree that the infiltrators must be purged.

Turning from double-agent to triple-agent was difficult on your conscious, and you wonder if there is some way to provide an avenue of escape for your kind. In the mean-time, you will do your best to cripple their efforts and stall the Captain’s advances on your brothers and sisters while you search, but you know that if your efforts are not successful you will have to come to terms with their eventual purge.

Ability: Renata, What Do Your Elf Eyes See? – You have set up an impossibly difficult charade of lies and disguises, and it is taking all of your effort just to maintain it. You may disguise an individual as any other race during every phase – simply send me a PM and it will be done. If you do not change your target, I will assume that you are continuing to disguise the original target. You must specify what you are disguising them as (Examples include: Ljosalfar Elf, Lanun Human, Khaazad Dwarf).
Personal Goal: You desperately hope that you can somehow save elvenkind from this disaster. For every day that all of your other elven “teammates” remain living, you gain an extra gold/day income. For every three days that your friends all remain alive, you gain an extra use of your ability every phase.

Mirror Mask improved to give +40% resistance to unclean lynches
Hand Crossbow improved to Bladed Crossbow - +2 Strength, could be used by CivGeneral to activate his PG as well.

You are the Dazed Councilor

Role: Dreamwatcher
Race: Lanun Human
Alignment: Evil
Strength: 3
Faction: Octopus Overlords
Item: Overlord’s Idol (Those that spy upon you will only see nightmares) [Accessory Slot]
Income: 2 gold/turn

A survivor from an incredible ordeal, you were once a former slave aboard the doomed ship, Sea Beacon. Escaping from your master’s clutches, you prayed to the Overlords and they answered in their own, horrifying way. Slaying all aboard the ship excepting your dedicated and enthralled bodyguard, your power and madness has only increased since you arrived in Hazlett, and you feel as if you are at the peak of your power.

You have gained a new ability since those days – the ability to peer into the dreams of those around you. You have learned to divine fragile information from these visions, and you are sure that your foul machinations can only be aided by these gifts.

In addition, you still have your loyal bodyguard if things go south, whose undying loyalty has allowed you the safety to train an apprentice, who will likely kill you soon to seize power. You are proud of him, and will accept your death soon enough. You only hope he can wait until this ordeal is over.

Ability: Dreamwatching – During the day phase, you may pick one target to spy upon. Although dreams are difficult to make sense from, you are a master, and you may ask any single yes-or-no question to the GM to be interpreted.
Ability: Enthrall – Your ability to take control of another person is extremely powerful. Merely by whispering dark, terrible secrets to them during the Night will you gain control of their actions, and so long as you continue warping their minds they will be helpless to resist you. The target player joins your team, and furthermore you may force them to vote however you like. You may only have one thrall at a time, but you may release one whenever you wish, or gain another if your thrall dies. If you die, your thralls are released.

(Note: You already have an enthralled player, the Bodyguard, and cannot release him. He must die before you can use your ability).

Personal Goal: Your bodyguard has become very dear to you, and it is imperative that he stays alive. As long as he is still living, you will be at ease.

Overlord's Idol foiled scan attempts, and if you held it for 3 days you converted to OO team. This is why the OO team didn't die when all the members were dead - Sprig liquefied it to finish them off.

Idol improved to injure those who scanned the holder.
His delusion affected the success chance of his ability. As long as the bodyguard was alive, it was reasonably OK. when the bodyguard left and/or died, it went way down (although the only time it was attempted under the reduced chance of success it accurately portrayed choxorn as a killer)

 

[Krill]

Yep. We decided to start off by killing good players who weren't often terribly active, since they represented dangers to us without the compensatory effect of being accessible to manipulation.

Something additional had popped up by the time it came to Nictel, but I can't remember what it was.

Somewhat ironic, considering your complaints about metagaming, and dying night two in the last game.

 

[Autolycus]

Great game overall! I think my only complaint would have been the whip. Accuracy of scans/limits on powers/unexpected side-effects are fair game, but the whip not actually having that strength strikes me slightly differently, I don't know why.

 

[choxorn]

Meh, You're just mad because you died first, and wouldn't have died if you had more strength.

 

[Earthling]

Well I would have voted him the spatula. But it is a tough break - being the first to sign up and very first to die. Kinda wish his cult had lived...they would've been neater to work with than the other cults

HEY! I JUST REALIZED

CivGeneral Voted for me when Zack was revealed as an elf, and I wasn't an elf! Bad CivGeneral, breaking his faction rules...(nah, I know that probably doesn't count, but still...way to go again CivGeneral on the lurking/voting at the last second)

 

[choxorn]

Yeah... it was nice to be the only cult faction without members who wanted to break away or kill each other.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Although, I see the other was Backwards Logic. TFA, you do know that if he's the mafia, you have to have him start the game at the bottom of the Amazon River, right?

He did! I started dying for pete's sake, forcing me to go public to find out who can cure me. That was quite the handicap if I do say so myself.

First time I died on night one. Bummer. Who was it that killed me? BL?

Yup. Sorry dude, you won the death lottery for that phase. Really, we eliminated six people or so (CivGeneral, J-man, Winston Hughes, Zack, Disquisition, and Niklas since he hadn't played in an NOTW in forever and I was looking forward to squaring off against him) which left everyone else. After the game was over and seeing your ability, I asked TFA if I could have gotten a second kill had you extended the day phase. I could have, so I'm a little disappointed I killed you before you had a chance to use it .

I died way too quickly. BL you!

It was one hell of a fun game to watch, especially everyone running around thinking they're the wolf team.

Yea, WE were the true wolf team, you impostors! Y'all got what you deserved!

As for why we killed you, again, you won the day's 'lottery,' plus your claimed ability of boosting votes for people for money didn't sit well with me. Dumb luck you also turned up Hazlett. I wonder if tuxedohamm noticed the first two days the knife killer had wiped out 2/3 of his team?

Good job BL, though I was relatively certain you'd win. Out of curiosity, how many fingers did the piranhas chew off and how did you fight them off?

Three. I bribed the piranhas to let me out with a fourth. Then I hitchhiked my way to the thread. Probably the reason I was dying (Nah, the real reason I was dying was when I killed TFA he inflicted the curse on me in retaliation).

I might post an AAR later, I'll see what BL covers in his (I'm assuming he'll make one)

Yea, I probably will. There's a lot to cover, so it may take a while.

Congrats to BL's team...couldn't beat you in the end Lost by one or two votes (if we got Diamondeye, BL was lynched next if at all possible).

Thanks. And I doubt you could have pulled off a lynch of me. Had DE died instead, I would have targeted you with my knife kill figuring on only breaking the amulet, not realizing you had given it to Love. So you would have died anyway, and we'd be pretty much back to square one, only I'd have lost DE and you would have died as well. Not only that, but even if somehow you got the votes, I *think* had enough cash on hand to block the lynch entirely, if not the items in my possession would have made it unlikely. And you guys would have lost the Ancient Pendant as it'd be back up for vote. And we definitely would have taken that.

The Dark elves - well, I'm a bit annoyed at CivG's poisoning, and voting for me without hearing me out. Seriously, like 5 people voting within one hour at the end of that Night - I wasn't trying to game anything, had asked Zack or civplayah to accuse Diamondeye much earlier, but didn't have the time that night. And Love was asleep...

CivGeneral had no choice but to accuse you because of what Niklas revealed. I recall asking Renata to ask TFA if the reveal was incorrect (which it was) if they still had to accuse you anyway. If it makes you feel better, the two of us were peeved with CivGeneral's early flaky activity. We could have gotten at least one other kill had he been online early. The only saving grace here was he did kill who Renata told him to, so it's not like he went rogue on us entirely. That would have been another kink had he done so.

As for the final night, we expected you to go after DE. We just wanted you to make the first move so I could bury you with the post I made later. The plan all along was to take you down by any means necessary, especially after your faction cooked my amulet. I was NOT happy. Anyway, if I made the first move, half of the argument I put forth wouldn't have even applied. Plus I was also gathering intel, setting items up, and sharing the plan with my teammates for the inevitable showdown. So basically I had been waiting for you guys to make your move on DE. It's why it went down so late.

-I actually cured BL's curse from the start (night 2). What a mistake that was for my team! We figured you were someone powerful but you coulda been good/evil/whatever..argh

Thanks. I appreciated it!

Where's that facepalm pic that always changes (kidding, don't post it) So not only did I help him out (Disquisition was at least trying to get paid off/ask for an item) but Winston and Stuck in Pi helped him for free!?

Winston probably had no choice really due to his role. He was Ljosalfar, sworn enemy of the Undercouncil, so once he healed me we pretty much went our separate ways. Stuck in Pi was blackmailed. A lot. As for Disquisition...

Oh, and Backwards Logic - why did you kill Disquisition when you did? Maybe he let something slip - I was definitely worried about my team revealing too much, we had too many mutual contacts. After you seemed to trust me Love wasn't supposed to ever contact you again...but what about Disquisition?

Basically I wanted to kill him the day phase prior, but Renata's snafu changed that. Anyway I killed him because of the cover story I sold him to get him to heal me. It was full of lies and it had the potential to come back and bite me if word got around too much with it, so I decided to get rid of him right then and there. Basically my cover story of:

• Being cursed by another faction: Not true, I was cursed by TFA but there was no way I was revealing that.
• This faction was taking bribes from somewhere else in an attempt to take down the UC: Also false, but the high incomes across the board made this plausible. Still, a little careful intel gathering could have revealed this as a falsehood.
• Plus I know to a few people I crossed up my PG and VC explanations. Since DQ was one of the ones I had 'revealed' to, he was a loose end.

Also, him trying to 'help' me by steering me toward j6 did not help his/your cause. Claiming to have a cure ability, plus saying 'your investigations' revealing j6 having a high income seemed not likely. I was highly suspicious of your motives here, and already had something even bigger lined up (the merchants). Plus there was the metagame theory that anyone who had to help me get me cured would also be on the side of my biggest enemies. This was true with Winston Hughes (came to me privately trying to cure me himself and I already knew his motivations due to his VC), so I figured it'd also be true with him.

MAJOR thanks sprig/Lord Sauron for ruining BL's flawless victory.

Yup. A little peeved. One OMGUS vote to cost me/us in a game as complex as this a flawless victory... Don't worry sprig, I'll never forgive you for that! No, I'm not bitter...

Apparently the Crown was the only Esus item and BL had it the whole time? Argh...I scanned him the very first night, his Amulet blocked it so I only found he had the Amulet. We (Disquisition) were hoping to ask for the Amulet in payment for curing the curse - but didn't know who he was at the time obviously...

HAHA... Wait, you're serious?!?! Ask me for my amulet... No, that wasn't happening.

Also: what did Love actually succeed in destroying that belonged to BL? The Amulet I guess? But BL must have been given a ton of items -the Ashen Veil Pearl and the Map, some of the merchant's items...if only others had been hoarding (like I was - Love must've had like 5 or 6, I had no items on me when I died except the Pendant)

Yea, he cooked it. I wasn't happy, but with CivGeneral scoring the kill on the Bannor killer and leaving only me and the Vampire as the last two killers I wasn't afraid to reveal that it had (though I did it rather inconspicuously to not confirm/deny anything). Plus since had the silver knife, I figured the Vamp wouldn't come calling for me, so it was alright in my mind to reveal this weakness. Besides, it's not like scanning me at that stage of the game was going to reveal anything that wasn't already known or could be deduced from events in the thread itself. As for what items I had, I think I had the Map, the Boots, the silver knife, and later I asked for the Pearl in case Zack shot me.[/QUOTE]

Yep. We decided to start off by killing good players who weren't often terribly active, since they represented dangers to us without the compensatory effect of being accessible to manipulation.

Yea, it was something like that. Though that first day phase I had like 10 names on a list to select from, you said narrow it down to two, and I still couldn't do it. Really Krill, no hard feelings, just it was the luck of the draw here. Methos was on it, Earthling was on it, Diamondeye was on it. Renata for a time was on it...

Oh, and because I have a feeling there's a few of you itching to see this: The Esus QT.

 

[Seon]

This game was one of the funniest games I played in. My losing grace was that I automatically assumed that there were multiple factions which were pro-council, just vying for control of the entire faction.

 

[Earthling]

BL you didn't know any more than I did really... Saw that post with "players left to be assigned and what factions they are." If Methos had metagamed it (as in, not showed up/participated in the game for a day really, after he first got onto the Nightwatch) you might have been in trouble. I assume TFA gave a PM that said like "100% you are on this faction now and can't be converted back" because conversion seemed odd to me the whole time otherwise. Octopus conversion clearly didn't really work (and Paladins had an oath - I never knew that until now) but I was hoping the Nightwatch wasn't "permanent conversion." Oh well.

And being sick isn't a weakness if you can still kill. That's why I didn't even think you were the killer until after I died and learned it - because you still beat people with 3, 4 strength even when you were cursed and dying! I wish I could've just had all that strength and killed whomever...though that was the plan for Disquistion if he'd lived, given his Entropy Magic and higher base strength.

I really wish Dispelling Methos would actually have worked. TFA of course was not clear on it and we didn't know about the Crown. But me, civplayah, Methos, and Love had committed to that plan. I'm not sure you heard of that now (doesn't sound like it in your post above and didn't see Methos say so on the QT) but our plan was for Methos to get onto the Nightwatch, THEN dispell him so he wasn't loyal anymore. Of course I didn't know Methos wanted to be converted...

Actually continuing to comment on the QT (yours is by far the most developed one I've seen so far, other than ours - which I'd recommend BL/Renata glance at at least)

And I did succeed in lying to you and making you think I didn't know who civplayah was...for a time

I like how you thought ATPG was with me and I thought he was Esus (the infamous Triangle/Circle/Square message to tuxedo, ATPG, and TLO). I really did think he was Esus given he was talking about the Crown - as surprised as you about vampire.

And you two were very busy the same day me and Love were - the day with that horrible slip-up about the Staff. Wonder what would have happened if Love had never contacted you like he really shouldn't have (but it's ok, he was a great teammate anyway)

Earthling's four person alliance consists of himself, ATPG, civplayah, and either DE or TLO judging by the the chain PM's I've received from him. The aforementioned names have all been recipients of PM's. Whether or not they are all on the same faction remains to be seen.

Nope
If all of these were my allies...you would've been toast. Ok well your QT was great, done now, will look forward to more folks' stories I guess

I think we'll all blame Zack for the last lynch on Diamondeye though - I wasn't "waiting to the last minute" - I wanted Zack to accuse him for like two days! I soooo didn't want to make that accusation myself...

Oh and you were untruthful in the post above - you guys were already planning to get online really late! But especially that third-party factions Stuck in Pi and Civgeneral went along with that...considering how many other people were offline/didn't vote...

Oh and if Love was online/used the Pinion - that would have doubled all support votes. Including the Pendant. We were planning to save that for the next one though...that was another option rather than lynching BL, let you try to lynch someone, but they have like 12 strength due to the Pinion...

 

[Zack]

Man, looking back a at all this - I really played this game poorly. And my name was mentioned about 70 times in the Esus QT (no joke), they seemed to think I was "playing stupid" (pretending to be an idiot and clueless) and all that when in fact, I was just stupid.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Yea, Methos mentioned something via IM about you guys possibly dispelling his loyalty to us somewhere along the way. To be honest there was always an inkling of "did these guys really get converted to our team," or did one of them/both of them get a separate PM from TFA saying "okay, now go take him out." There was a time where I thought there would be specific players who wanted to be converted to the NW, those that didn't, and a few people that wanted to get converted but wouldn't actually have their faction/VC change (I had a role like this in NOTW XXII). TFA assured me though that it was permanent and the Crown controlled everything they did (I could force them to vote anyway I wanted if I wanted to), so I guess I brushed it aside when it came up and didn't address it.

The player list changes over time, but yea, a lot of it was grasping at straws and trying to connect things together via vote patterns and such. There was a time we truly thought DE was a Vamp, and there was a time we truly thought Csargo was Ashen Veil (though that was before choxorn died and we had CCRunner and choxorn working together, so when that happened it became obvious they were also Ashen Veil. And I had Csargo really, really early as a Vamp because of his voting with j6, but totally forgot ). For the longest time too, I was operating under the assumption there was 6 specific 'infiltrators' we had to take out. I had figured the merchants were three of them (because of the 'infiltrator' in the faction name), so for the vast majority of the game I was looking for a second 'infiltrator' faction that didn't exist, which also screwed with the assigning of players. I only realized this error in a conversation with TFA sometime just before we lynched you. That's how long I had been searching for this phantom faction.

EDIT: Crosspost with Zack. Yea, we were wondering at times what you were up to, especially with the injuring of j6. We couldn't figure out why you'd injure someone that pretty much had a bulls-eye on his back since the first/second day. Renata and I were really hoping you'd injure players you/we knew nothing about, so Winston could heal them, gain some trust, and thus reveal info back to us. Also not helping your case was your ability only worked 50% of the time, so when you did have a successful hit we were hoping it'd be on someone we didn't know. It's nothing personal, just it was a little frustrating to watch from the sidelines. We all do dumb things - us attacking you after 1) I had the Ljosalfar QT and reading it and 2) Renata telling me at some point you were immune to day attacks is proof we all do idiotic things. Cheer up!