NotW XXXI: It's a Long Story (Game Thread)
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I can offer the following free information, since Niklas just died. I was approached by two people, Niklas included, who offered to buy my vote. He was all convinced that he had nailed Earthling about something, and wanted me to know how much I was being bribed for and wanted to know if he could top it.
He seemed to view Earthling as an imminent threat which must be disposed of. By my count, we have gotten a disgruntled merchant infiltrator, and Earthling exposed Niklas as a cultist, and then Niklas died and was in fact a cultist.
It is entirely possible Earthling is the mortal threat Niklas made him out to be; rival mafias often paint each other as such. However Niklas seemed more bothered by him than a mafia would normally react toward another mafia... the simple answer is you just kill them. No need to attract attention to yourself.
I don't think the story fits against Earthling. I believe Niklas was simply worried that Earthling would gain loyalty and power by being correct, and possibly gain the ability to defend himself at night/day.
As for Earthling, I offered to support him no matter what his allegiance was, and I asked him if he had any teammates who would ally with me if he was going down. I also talked about perhaps sharing info or exchanging items, or working together against common enemies, etc.
For the uninitiated, I was setting up a rather obvious "if he's mafia, and he's feeling desperate, he might blunder badly enough to give up information or even admit guilt" trap. He passed the test.
Now, I set up a similar trick in NOTW XXX which wasn't entirely ironclad, but you learn a lot about what motivates a player when they are under pressure and desperate and you offer them a way out. He's either good at sniffing traps or it's worth following his lead.
He seemed to view Earthling as an imminent threat which must be disposed of. By my count, we have gotten a disgruntled merchant infiltrator, and Earthling exposed Niklas as a cultist, and then Niklas died and was in fact a cultist.
It is entirely possible Earthling is the mortal threat Niklas made him out to be; rival mafias often paint each other as such. However Niklas seemed more bothered by him than a mafia would normally react toward another mafia... the simple answer is you just kill them. No need to attract attention to yourself.
I don't think the story fits against Earthling. I believe Niklas was simply worried that Earthling would gain loyalty and power by being correct, and possibly gain the ability to defend himself at night/day.
As for Earthling, I offered to support him no matter what his allegiance was, and I asked him if he had any teammates who would ally with me if he was going down. I also talked about perhaps sharing info or exchanging items, or working together against common enemies, etc.
For the uninitiated, I was setting up a rather obvious "if he's mafia, and he's feeling desperate, he might blunder badly enough to give up information or even admit guilt" trap. He passed the test.
Now, I set up a similar trick in NOTW XXX which wasn't entirely ironclad, but you learn a lot about what motivates a player when they are under pressure and desperate and you offer them a way out. He's either good at sniffing traps or it's worth following his lead.
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Woah, good job Vigilant's! (I assume Choxorn's killer was a Vigilant?)
Earthling for the gold, as he kept his word and gave me gold earlier from the votes.
Since he took out Niklas, and probably arranged a Vigilant to take out Choxorn, i think Earthling is trust worthy enough to follow his lead on CCRunner.
Earthling for the gold, as he kept his word and gave me gold earlier from the votes.
Since he took out Niklas, and probably arranged a Vigilant to take out Choxorn, i think Earthling is trust worthy enough to follow his lead on CCRunner.
No, I had nothing to do with any of the kills besides Niklas.
In fact, I'd like to point out something that seems rather obvious: choxorn was killed by Paladins of the ORDER. I have no evidence or clues whether this faction is unrevealed; perhaps they are allies of the dead johnhughtom; perhaps this was a result of our failed collective decision at those undercouncil votes. But the writeup makes it clear it was the Order; It was not me.
I am more than happy to share gold and protective items. I'd like to point out - the silver knife almost certainly protects from vampires, so we should choose carefully in voting that. I wouldn't be surprised if the vampires knew this the whole time given j65 at the start. Niklas' other two weapons/armor probably provide strength bonus' each; also, the elven boots sound self explanatory...
And lastly, more importantly, I'd like to really let fellow Councilors know my situation. I'd like to assure you of my neutrality, and I'm really out on my own with everyone knowing my abilities, having no significant strength or protection beyond my recently acquired Amulet, etc...Because looking at the remaining factions, you'll see what I mean:
There are 16 Councilors alive by my count; far too many killed by traitors of course:
So that's that - I don't care about the half the factions/cults/elves feuding, I want to live myself. Those who give me best reason to so - say cooperating to finish off murderous folks at the least I'd be more than willing to help in return. And for some factions out there, as I tried to tell Niklas for instance when it was clear he was a cultist - killing me doesn't help your cult kill other cults, or help you kill the other elves...
Lastly I believe I have told many people that my magical abilities would be up for bargain/negotiation/sale if I get a good price; though I reserve the right to use them by my own decision of course if nobody has a good lead and aren't paying me enough. So, here's what I can do:
-Investigate for items: Every evening phase. Tell me who to scan, pay me or offer something in return, and you and only you get the results...Of course this is also how I'm still looking for thieves
-Dispell Magic: Every night phase. I'm confident I can remove a fair chunk of magical effects of any type.
Looking forward to hear from many Councilors I'm sure. And those of you who also don't want to be sacrifices for vampires/cultists...couldn't hurt to be in touch you know
Edit: @ ATPG my thoughts on Niklas - it seems to me he was sure I already knew too much and couldn't kill me soon enough because his cult had just killed, and had no intention of doing anything otherwise than build a story to frame me. Because dispelling his ritual/strength partway the first time probably already let him know that I knew he wasn't who he said he was. And he was reluctant to give any info and only kept demanding what I knew. I'm guessing he might have even come up with the "elf" story - framing me with the dead healer before we even talked.
In fact, I'd like to point out something that seems rather obvious: choxorn was killed by Paladins of the ORDER. I have no evidence or clues whether this faction is unrevealed; perhaps they are allies of the dead johnhughtom; perhaps this was a result of our failed collective decision at those undercouncil votes. But the writeup makes it clear it was the Order; It was not me.
I am more than happy to share gold and protective items. I'd like to point out - the silver knife almost certainly protects from vampires, so we should choose carefully in voting that. I wouldn't be surprised if the vampires knew this the whole time given j65 at the start. Niklas' other two weapons/armor probably provide strength bonus' each; also, the elven boots sound self explanatory...
And lastly, more importantly, I'd like to really let fellow Councilors know my situation. I'd like to assure you of my neutrality, and I'm really out on my own with everyone knowing my abilities, having no significant strength or protection beyond my recently acquired Amulet, etc...Because looking at the remaining factions, you'll see what I mean:
There are 16 Councilors alive by my count; far too many killed by traitors of course:
Good:
1 (more?) Hazlett - still seem to be regular good guys out to destroy the Council here
1-2? Bannor/Order - anyone related to the dead Ex-Confessor; or the Paladins who killed choxorn
2 Ljosalfar - just what I'm guessing. Probably want their enemy elves dead; may be seeking to kill evil Councilors in general
Evil:
1 Ashen Veil (CCRunner?) - this cult is too dangerous but they're almost dead
1-2 Winter Priests - more cultists doing who knows what?
1-2 Vampires - monstrous killers...hoping just one of them left to stop...
2 Svartalfar - would want the Good Elves dead; otherwise motives unknown...
Neutral
1 Merchant (Stuck in Pi) - I seriously don't find the merchants a threat anymore; they weren't really even with sprig alive. But he's in the same situation as me - and I'd be willing to help him live and we could work together, I see little reason why not, and I think other Councilors would be wasting time trying to kill a Merchant instead of killers
1 Me - I'm a neutral Mage; probably the last on my faction remaining with Disquisition dead. Did he tell anyone what his goals were, by the way? I'd like to know...My concerns are what they've always been - survive, and recover my item. And then if by some miracle I survive my last goal would be to get the Amurites initiated as a full member of the Council (I'm guessing by vote similar to that vote the first night)- assuming the Council survives as well, looking how many traitors are left.
3-4 unknown factions/loners/or not. I don't know what's left. I suspect there is one group who is actually loyal to Esus and the Council. So your faction and me as a neutral may be the only ones left in that boat at this point. Oh, and any of the above could have stolen my artifact.
So that's that - I don't care about the half the factions/cults/elves feuding, I want to live myself. Those who give me best reason to so - say cooperating to finish off murderous folks at the least I'd be more than willing to help in return. And for some factions out there, as I tried to tell Niklas for instance when it was clear he was a cultist - killing me doesn't help your cult kill other cults, or help you kill the other elves...
Lastly I believe I have told many people that my magical abilities would be up for bargain/negotiation/sale if I get a good price; though I reserve the right to use them by my own decision of course if nobody has a good lead and aren't paying me enough. So, here's what I can do:
-Investigate for items: Every evening phase. Tell me who to scan, pay me or offer something in return, and you and only you get the results...Of course this is also how I'm still looking for thieves
-Dispell Magic: Every night phase. I'm confident I can remove a fair chunk of magical effects of any type.
Looking forward to hear from many Councilors I'm sure. And those of you who also don't want to be sacrifices for vampires/cultists...couldn't hurt to be in touch you know
Edit: @ ATPG my thoughts on Niklas - it seems to me he was sure I already knew too much and couldn't kill me soon enough because his cult had just killed, and had no intention of doing anything otherwise than build a story to frame me. Because dispelling his ritual/strength partway the first time probably already let him know that I knew he wasn't who he said he was. And he was reluctant to give any info and only kept demanding what I knew. I'm guessing he might have even come up with the "elf" story - framing me with the dead healer before we even talked.
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I repeat the question. Why would diamondeye want to destroy the tear of meditation?
Also, earthling, this confused me:
What do you mean when your "probably the last on your faction"? Do you not know who's left on your faction or what?
Also, earthling, this confused me:
What do you mean when your "probably the last on your faction"? Do you not know who's left on your faction or what?
I've already explained that as far as worth it out here, come to me in private with a better reason why you're so suspicious other than that you may be another cultist/vampire who clearly doesn't want me alive.
Also, everyone - what makes us all think we can destroy items now? Are those votes to just not give the items to anyone/try to destroy them - I guess I could be on board. Because sprig, who had the actual "destroy" ability - is dead...
Also, everyone - what makes us all think we can destroy items now? Are those votes to just not give the items to anyone/try to destroy them - I guess I could be on board. Because sprig, who had the actual "destroy" ability - is dead...
Zack
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I trust Earthling to distribute the wealth.
Diamondeye
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Earthling I would really appreciate if you stopped lying in public. While I do think you're being honest in most of what you say, and while I intend to follow your lead, you need to, as TLO said, stop lying.
You are an Amurite, you are working with Methos (and was working with Disquisition until he was murdered). I don't know what this means (and I'm not even 100 % sure yet), but there is no reason to keep it from the public (if it is indeed true, which I believe it to be).
You are an Amurite, you are working with Methos (and was working with Disquisition until he was murdered). I don't know what this means (and I'm not even 100 % sure yet), but there is no reason to keep it from the public (if it is indeed true, which I believe it to be).
TheForestAuro
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Destruction of an Item is not a valid choice for voting.
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In which Methos switched his vote to save earthling. Just because he says's he's been bribed doesn't mean he has been. Witness me first round with Niklas.
Yes, I am the last Ashen Veil Cultist. However, am I a threat? Our killer is dead, our injury taker is dead, my ability is useless now, nobody will talk to me... I'm pretty harmless now if I do say so myself.
Earthling is lying out of his teeth-- there's a reason we tried to lynch him last night. Everybody remembers Night 3? The night with no death? There was supposed to be. And the failure PM choxorn recieved pretty much confirms that Earthling is a Ljosalfar.
Also, as a teammate, I believe I know a bit more about how Niklas's ability functions and it doesn't function in the way he claims. Actually, I have been, except for a couple lies of omission, completely truthful this entire game and so has my faction (in public at least). Including the list of evidence that Earthling is an enemy of this council.
I ask you now, rotted brethren, who is the true danger to our evil ways? The fangless one or the despised 'good' elf?
Yes, I am the last Ashen Veil Cultist. However, am I a threat? Our killer is dead, our injury taker is dead, my ability is useless now, nobody will talk to me... I'm pretty harmless now if I do say so myself.
Earthling is lying out of his teeth-- there's a reason we tried to lynch him last night. Everybody remembers Night 3? The night with no death? There was supposed to be. And the failure PM choxorn recieved pretty much confirms that Earthling is a Ljosalfar.
Also, as a teammate, I believe I know a bit more about how Niklas's ability functions and it doesn't function in the way he claims. Actually, I have been, except for a couple lies of omission, completely truthful this entire game and so has my faction (in public at least). Including the list of evidence that Earthling is an enemy of this council.
I ask you now, rotted brethren, who is the true danger to our evil ways? The fangless one or the despised 'good' elf?
I am not an elf...because:
I AM THE DISCORD, THE DARKNESS, THE ANGEL OF EVIL! I AM MORGOTH, FALLEN AINU!!!!1
wait a minute...wrong game there maybe?...
I'm not an elf. I can't repeat that enough times. And the elves know I'm not an elf. Your cult is dead. It looks like you've chosen to die too. If you really were more harmless now you'd help us catch the vampire(s) rather than trying to kill me. But these completely random stories are going nowhere. I had nothing to do with the elves roleblocking your faction or whatever you want to claim.
Edit: And let's think about this. According to your story, apparently I can dispell Niklas' magic, I can roleblock choxorn, and I have abilities leftover that make me a threat to others even though I've never killed? Oh, and I was such a danger that your cult collectively couldn't have waited for your kill ability/ritual to recharge and killed me yourself, like ATPG said? The reason you had to try to lynch me is because I was a random third party who found out Niklas' dark secrets....
I AM THE DISCORD, THE DARKNESS, THE ANGEL OF EVIL! I AM MORGOTH, FALLEN AINU!!!!1
wait a minute...wrong game there maybe?...
I'm not an elf. I can't repeat that enough times. And the elves know I'm not an elf. Your cult is dead. It looks like you've chosen to die too. If you really were more harmless now you'd help us catch the vampire(s) rather than trying to kill me. But these completely random stories are going nowhere. I had nothing to do with the elves roleblocking your faction or whatever you want to claim.
Edit: And let's think about this. According to your story, apparently I can dispell Niklas' magic, I can roleblock choxorn, and I have abilities leftover that make me a threat to others even though I've never killed? Oh, and I was such a danger that your cult collectively couldn't have waited for your kill ability/ritual to recharge and killed me yourself, like ATPG said? The reason you had to try to lynch me is because I was a random third party who found out Niklas' dark secrets....
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....ahem... Night 4...
Not at all.
Dispell magic: I've said you're lying about this
Roleblock: Nope, not nightkillable, by us at least. Which is why we tried to lynch you
Leftover: Everybody in this council is evil, but your faction. Therefore, evil=good. Therefore, you are not who this council wants around.
You know what, I might actually believe you that the third night you were going to try to kill someone and it didn't work. Because that's when I dispelled Niklas the first time - and if Niklas had to get injured to power your kill, that's vaguely possible. But still no reason to keep you alive, and I doubt you're harmless on your own.
Secondly, that latter bit of reasoning is perhaps some of the oddest I've seen from a Councilor yet. Actually, doesn't beat your earlier lies about the "length of my posts making me guilty instead of Niklas where the same holds true"?
But because I happen to be Neutral instead of Evil I'm a bigger threat? And the fact there are probably a couple of Good factions - the Ex-Bannor/Order Paladins, the Hazlett Town Guard and you think I'm worse? Plus you know Evil doesn't mean everyone trusts each other - all the cults are evil and they all wanted each other dead. That's just ridiculous.
Edit: right, you still "think" I'm an elf, so you think I'm "Good." But still you're senselessly ignoring the real "good" that's still out there if you hate them so much...you're not helping yourself by trying to get a bandwagon on me again.
So apparently CCRunner has given us all a reason to have a safe, nearly-unanimous lynch tonight...I'll be willing to negotiate/help distribute/etc... with gold and items otherwise I guess.
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First of all, you're lying about the dispel thing, so nothing there. Even if you weren't Niklas wasn't the ritual murderer.
We are hunting the odd ones out aka, the traditionally 'good' guys. Such as the Ljosalfar... Also, the length of post thing is more 'When the mafia is about to get lynched, they make really long posts because they're desperate' whereas the innocents can win even if they die.
I'm in a cult, I think I know more about how they function than any elf here does
No, I pretty much 'know' you're an elf, and therefore, 'know' you're good. Not sure what you're talking about "real good"
Anyway, lynch me if you must. Not like you'll find anything out from it, since I've already told you my faction. Just take out the real threat once I'm gone
Talk about an obvious lie! After our discussions outside of the game, I'm surprised you even considered this as a possibility.
Good enough for me. Vote: CCRunner
CCRunner said:
This may be partially true, as I can't say for certain, but I'm a part of the reason Niklas went after Earthling. Niklas came to me and said he'd just had the oddest conversation with Earthling. I discussed it with him briefly and then explained to him what Earthling did to me in the LotR game and that more then likely Earthling would pull the same thing against him in this one. Niklas then stated that he should be proactive then and go after Earthling first. Not soon after that Niklas posted and I added my own vote against Earthling. So don't tell me there was a strong reason as to why you went after Earthling, as it was mainly to deter Earthling's likely future attack against Niklas.
I confess in that I didn't think Niklas was a wolf, so I was rather shocked when he showed up as one.
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CCRunner. We don't know his part in the cult. While he's not killing people he might do other stuff.
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CCRunner could be converting people to the Ashen Viel, and we don't want that.
DEFINITELY not a vigilante by any definition, TLO. Order Paladins can't be any friend of this council.
Thanks, all. Don't want to bring up LOTR game as that should not be made an issue (and wasn't a factor between me/Niklas clearly)...but I will say I am not working with Methos, barely bought him off to save my life, and that was an odd thought of Diamondeye's.
I'm not going to be greedy, and the gold to me will then be an even split so I don't even think I'll ask to benefit from an extra cut there, but would like either the silver knife or bracers of armor. Obvious what both should do -protect from vampires or just more strength, I won't try to take both but I'm hoping you all can trust I'm just going to sit with the items protecting myself if I get them, safe bet there...Other votes for items to whomever gives me good reason.
I'm not going to be greedy, and the gold to me will then be an even split so I don't even think I'll ask to benefit from an extra cut there, but would like either the silver knife or bracers of armor. Obvious what both should do -protect from vampires or just more strength, I won't try to take both but I'm hoping you all can trust I'm just going to sit with the items protecting myself if I get them, safe bet there...Other votes for items to whomever gives me good reason.
