Nuke Nes: After Victoria

[germanicus12]

Yes, but in comparison to the British Empire, French, Russians, Chinese, Japanese and even the UCSA, your land size and where you can build ports are limited.

And dont forget that you need sailors and soldiers, how is your population supporting such a massive fleet? Also upkeep must be hell as you have to fix alot of ships after a war, you have to keep them afloat as you repair them after they hit icebergs, or even as the salt water eats away at the metal.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Okay, I'll look at it this way. In modern times...

Indonesia's population is roughly 234,693,997.
The Netherlands has 16,402,835.
Belgium has 10,584,534.
Saudi Arabia has 24,735,000.

America has 303,369,000.

The populations are roughly equal.

Same would go for you, how do you support 50+ infantry divisions?

 

[germanicus12]

Britain has way more colonies, commonwealths and lands than you. Besides Great Britain can afford it with 21 IC a year.

Look at it this way:

Upkeep: United States (example, since I know a rough US repair costs on their ships in thanks to my step dad)

Each carrier comes in for a yearly inspection and paint job: this cost around 5 million dollars each ship.
Each destroyer cost around 1-2 million depending on damage done.
Each cruiser cost around 4 million.
Each sub cost around 3-5 million.
The repair/inspections cover every aspect of the ship, from hull to electrical system; from generators to radio communications.

So to convert those into IC, I would give it around 1 IC for 1 million dollars, so you still think you can afford it? Although I dont think any nation can with the navy they have, but it is still a high price.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Well, then, tell me. How did Great Britain maintain a huge fleet from the 1700's to the 1900's?

If that was the upkeep and implemented into the game, no one would have a navy! XD

But then, there would have to be upkeep for the soldiers (like in real Civ), the calvary, the tanks, and your planes.

And there would be no standing army.

 

[germanicus12]

Like said, the British Empire was huge, they could afford a big navy. Barely.

And also I did say that this is not going to implemented into the game, note what I said in the last paragraph?

Although I dont think any nation can with the navy they have, but it is still a high price.

I meant this for in the game, not real life, since the Americans can afford such a navy now.

Nukekid will adjust it so that it fits the economy of this NES world.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Wait a second, I'll protest this.

He already put an IC cap on the smaller nations, which already gave me an enormous handicap.

But this will end all chances for smaller nations becoming dominant powers and unbalance the game big time.

Plus, I don't know too many NES's that charges an upkeep for armies or navies.

Abnormal that the Lowlands has such a huge navy? Yes.

Impossible? No.

Stop trying to get rid of your competitors the cheap way. (Sarcasm, don't take it personal. )

 

[dldnjstjr]

Well technically, you can bid 100000000 IC over like 10000000 turns. So I don't think this auction thing will work, since I know Lowland will keep bidding higher and higher over long and longer turns. Just stop the arguement and the auction.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Well technically, you can bid 100000000 IC over like 10000000 turns. So I don't think this auction thing will work, since I know Lowland will keep bidding higher and higher over long and longer turns. Just stop the arguement and the auction.

There's a max of 5 turns. I think we should continue to do the auction.

So theoretically, you can bid (35x5)= 175 IC over 5 turns to outdo my (15x5)=75 IC over 5 turns, since I know you'll always try to beat my auction by +1.

I won't complain.

 

[germanicus12]

Yes, you are correct, but in the real world, do you think that Indonesia can build a navy that could rival the US at sea? No, their economy cannot support it.
Could Mexico do it? Possibly but impropable.

Money always limits everything, and the lowlands is not an exception.

I am not trying to limit you, I want my alliance to be as powerfull as it can be for when a war does break out between us and the Grand Alliance. But at the same time each nation should be able to expand and grow to its max.

You will never see Indonesia boasting a navy with 10 carriers, 200 destroyers, 50 battleships and 100 subs. It is impossible for them to do so.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Yes, you are correct, but in the real world, do you think that Indonesia can build a navy that could rival the US at sea? No, their economy cannot support it.
Could Mexico do it? Possibly but impropable.

Money always limits everything, and the lowlands is not an exception.

I am not trying to limit you, I want my alliance to be as powerfull as it can be for when a war does break out between us and the Grand Alliance. But at the same time each nation should be able to expand and grow to its max.

You will never see Indonesia boasting a navy with 10 carriers, 200 destroyers, 50 battleships and 100 subs. It is impossible for them to do so.

I was thinking more in terms of Japan's rise to power in the late 19th century.

 

[dldnjstjr]

Okay then, I bid 76 IC over 5 turns.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Okay then, I bid 76 IC over 5 turns.

Ah, but then again, you don't know what techs I'm offering. Plus my intangibles.

 

[dldnjstjr]

Ah, but then again, Japan should tell me, since all biddings are public.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Ah, but then again, Japan should tell me, since all biddings are public.

Ah, but then again, Japan isn't on right now and I'll let him decide if he wants to reveal it.

 

[germanicus12]

I was thinking more in terms of Japan's rise to power in the late 19th century.

They increased industrial capacity, therefore making themselves richer. Plus they conquered most of China which helped. Japan could maintain such a navy easily. But it had no basis on which we can determine for true whether Japan could or not.
Their navy was destroyed by the US during the War. Their industrial capacity could not compete with the US industry. But mark my words, they can build such a navy again if they could.

 

[dldnjstjr]

Ah, but then again:

All future bids must be made publicly.

 

[mrpwn3r]

They increased industrial capacity, therefore making themselves richer. Plus they conquered most of China which helped. Japan could maintain such a navy easily. But it had no basis on which we can determine for true whether Japan could or not.
Their navy was destroyed by the US during the War. Their industrial capacity could not compete with the US industry. But mark my words, they can build such a navy again if they could.

No I was talking about pre-1920's Japan(roughly 1890-1910) Back when Emperor Meiji was on the throne.

Japan only had the Japanese home islands and yet managed to defeat both China and Russia. And it is of my opinion that Russia was more industrialized (I could be wrong here, I think this had more to do with the fact that Russia only had one major railroad connecting Siberia to Moscow). Korea was annexed five years after the conclusion of the Russo-Japanese war.

 

[mrpwn3r]

Ah, but then again:

Ah, but then again none of those bids were serious, so I don't have to reveal what techs I offered no?

OOC:

I'm getting tired of spamming this thread, Dldnjstjr, if you have more beef with me, talk to me on AIM.

Germanicus12, I won't argue with you anymore and PM me if you want to continue this.

 

[dldnjstjr]

Ah, but then again, yes. All my bids were serious. So you do have to reveal your bids.

 

[germanicus12]

No I was talking about pre-1920's Japan(roughly 1890-1910) Back when Emperor Meiji was on the throne.

Japan only had the Japanese home islands and yet managed to defeat both China and Russia. And it is of my opinion that Russia was more industrialized (I could be wrong here, I think this had more to do with the fact that Russia only had one major railroad connecting Siberia to Moscow). Korea was annexed till five years after the Russo-Japanese war.

Their navy wasn't that big.... it was modern. The Russian navy and Chinese navy were both outdated and had weak men in power. The Japanese could easily overpower both.

They had roughly 50 ships, total in that time. When compared to the War against the US when they had over 200.