NutraNES: Aros Arisen
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Had not set one because not a single one of you has begun to suggest possible actions/proposed bills or anything.
I've modified the stats of the republican cities, specifically divided infrastructure into public buildings, transportation, and defenses, as well as cut out the tax stat (though you guys still can raise taxes if you want). I've also added a 'Armies of the Republic' stat which describes in detail the nature of the armies under your control.
Orders are due on MONDAY, 26 of April I guess.
I've modified the stats of the republican cities, specifically divided infrastructure into public buildings, transportation, and defenses, as well as cut out the tax stat (though you guys still can raise taxes if you want). I've also added a 'Armies of the Republic' stat which describes in detail the nature of the armies under your control.
Orders are due on MONDAY, 26 of April I guess.
das
Regeneration In Process
Would we get a chance to increase the Republic's army further thanks to the influx of refugees, now that they have began to settle down?
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
a Direct Question to Lachykos
Tell me, Lachykos, after all the things you did to us, do you feel any regrets?
Tell me, Lachykos, after all the things you did to us, do you feel any regrets?
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Yeah, it can be assumed you can call upon the refugees, but they will be very reluctant because they are not citizens of the Republic (just freedmen) and thus are not required to fight. There are ways you could call on them, you could simply tell them they have to fight, set up a separate division of the army specifically for non-citizens, grant them citizenship, etc. etc.
Did to what? What, Artemacles, have I done to you that I should feel any regrets for? It is you who exiled me from my homeland, it is you who forced me and my followers out! We sought to bring more rights to the people and you and your *he spits at the feet of Cedros* brothers sought to curb those rights and so you declared war on me and mine!
No. I regret nothing save for the sordid fact that these people still live under your rancid yoke.
das
Regeneration In Process
I propose to grant hereditary citizenship to any freemen in exchange for military service for the duration of this war.
You speak of giving rights to the people, but our battle reveals an interesting truth. The people who live under our constitution fought as men and warriors, while those who live under your and your coward brother's rule fought as if they were walking corpses, not human beings; they were thoroughly your slaves and not the free citizens whose cause you would extol. I have not heard of such things among the barbarians of this land in their natural state - certainly not to this extent; care to explain to us what you have done to them, and whether this was your plan for the men of Aros as well?
If so, then surely we were even more right than we thought when we exiled you, for you have shown through all your actions that you are Gamien no more.
You speak of giving rights to the people, but our battle reveals an interesting truth. The people who live under our constitution fought as men and warriors, while those who live under your and your coward brother's rule fought as if they were walking corpses, not human beings; they were thoroughly your slaves and not the free citizens whose cause you would extol. I have not heard of such things among the barbarians of this land in their natural state - certainly not to this extent; care to explain to us what you have done to them, and whether this was your plan for the men of Aros as well?
If so, then surely we were even more right than we thought when we exiled you, for you have shown through all your actions that you are Gamien no more.
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You speak of being a Gamien and yet you do not even begin to know our ways! Look at your city, you rule over these people like the Gods who abandoned us! How can you fight like men when you force these people into a war meant to defend yourselves and not their homes. Look! *He points to Ichthycos* There stands a tyrant and evil-doer. Has this one not been marauding along the coast, pillaging and wreaking havoc on peoples not only innocent but defenseless? How can you say me and my brother are anything but liberators in the face of such cowardly and despicable ways?!
Yet, I still have my honor and I hope that you have yours. I know you will not let me have my freedom, but do not simply execute me like some kind of villain. I evoke our ancient traditions and call for an honorable duel against your champion of choice! Let me die in battle, with a sword in hand!
*Note to the Immortals, you guys will remember that Lachykos was never one for martial acumen, this is a strange request in that context, but in the context of Lachykos being a Gamien man it makes perfect sense*
No. Not possible. At this point in time Immortals would have to have to be one of those Gamiens granted immortality by the gods during the Gamien/Corian Wars.
das
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You refused my request for a duel back when we were both on equal footing as commanders of armies. You then hid behind your slaves, avoiding battle and making me fight my way to your position. And only now that you are a prisoner and a cripple you decide to offer a challenge?
There is much that is strange and suspicious about this. Nevertheless, I am willing to slay you personally in a proper battle if my Brothers agree, so that the justice of those you have denounced may be served in accordance with our traditions you have betrayed.
Anonymoose
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He wants to die before we get any more out of him. He should be interrogated properly before he commits suicide by dueling Aristomachos.
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Things you guys should consider and debate on
Whether or not to continue the campaign
+How will you do that?
+Will you continue with your current troops or somehow reinforce them?
+Where will you strike?
How will you respond to the CoP requests?
+Will you allow them to create their own quaestor?
How will you respond to the people?
+Will you lift their spirits with a costly triumph?
+Will you promise them land via conquest?
What of the economy?
+Will you finance agricultural developments? Trade with Salpe? Trade with Sakkema?
So on and so forth. I would rather not have to continue suggesting courses of action, as this is your game after all, but I get the feeling that many of you are either not interested enough to think about what to do or are just caught in the deep end and at a loss at what to do. Remember! Pretty much anything within reason (which I won't hesitate to point out if it is unreasonable/unrealistic) can be suggested by you all. Remember if it is a proper proposal rather than a debate make it in BOLD LETTERS so others and myself can take note of it.
Whether or not to continue the campaign
+How will you do that?
+Will you continue with your current troops or somehow reinforce them?
+Where will you strike?
How will you respond to the CoP requests?
+Will you allow them to create their own quaestor?
How will you respond to the people?
+Will you lift their spirits with a costly triumph?
+Will you promise them land via conquest?
What of the economy?
+Will you finance agricultural developments? Trade with Salpe? Trade with Sakkema?
So on and so forth. I would rather not have to continue suggesting courses of action, as this is your game after all, but I get the feeling that many of you are either not interested enough to think about what to do or are just caught in the deep end and at a loss at what to do. Remember! Pretty much anything within reason (which I won't hesitate to point out if it is unreasonable/unrealistic) can be suggested by you all. Remember if it is a proper proposal rather than a debate make it in BOLD LETTERS so others and myself can take note of it.
Anonymoose
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Well Artemacles isn't the kind to jump in and suggest overarching political reforms.
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Well nothing that drastic has to be done. Something as simple as suggesting a course of action could get things moving, but I won't force you into anything. I'd just rather not have this NES die due to player inactivity! 
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Which is why I may take up the seventh Immortal spot if no one fills it. That way I could help spur things on and whatnot. Or at least give you guys a better idea/example of what can be done.
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Which is why I may take up the seventh Immortal spot if no one fills it. That way I could help spur things on and whatnot. Or at least give you guys a better idea/example of what can be done.
das
Regeneration In Process
Same here, really. I have my interests and agendae, as you know, but they (currently, anyway) have little to do with Republican politics or economy. I was hoping Cedros or Nukleos or Epicurus would shoulder that burden.
Anywho, what is worth discussing is our military plans. I say we fight this war to the finish. We should gather up more troops and supplies and invade the enemy heartlands, hopefully capturing Zelotage along the way. Once he is ours, the war is won, and the threat is destroyed.
There might be merit in attacking on both the land and the sea; if this is accepted I will make sure to provide Brother Icthyos with more men for this purpose, and would advise Brother Cedros to allocate more money to the construction of a navy, to make it possible for Ichthyos to take the battle to the city of Zelotage. Meanwhile, I will take the rest of our forces to the city of Lachykos. Thus Zelotage will have to either fight or renounce his power and take flight; the former is preferable but in any case he will no longer be a threat and his followers are nothing without him.
There is hardly any point to that; we probably won't get anything else out of him. His mind is made up.
Seon
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I am against torturing him. He may be a traitor to Aros, but he still is an Immortal and our former comrade.
Meanwhile as for our economy, as I have said before, I support the construction of a harbor for military purpose as well as economic. Construction of a harbor would bring increased trade as well as allow us to build ships, military ships, faster.
Meanwhile some or the economy should go towards agricultural development such as building irrigation.
Meanwhile as for our economy, as I have said before, I support the construction of a harbor for military purpose as well as economic. Construction of a harbor would bring increased trade as well as allow us to build ships, military ships, faster.
Meanwhile some or the economy should go towards agricultural development such as building irrigation.
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Cedros:
I am sorry to my brothers for being so slow in my answers. I always must take my time to consider the future and how i must react to every day lives.
I have been thinking about the demands of the richer families to have a say in the finances of the city. I think that we can allow them to vote for 5 men who will together with me will help with the finances but those 5 men will not have a final say in the subject and will act only as advisors to me. I will obviously take their advice into account but we are the immortals, true defenders and rulers of the city, the ones with power and knowledge beyond all others. We should continue holding the main jobs of the city at least until we see the people of Aros fit to rule in wisdom as high as ours.
Which leads me to the next subject. My school. The powerful families should feel ashamed of themselves. Knowledge does not bound itself to those with a known family name or to those with power. Knowledge belongs to all. If the elite of the city feels bad about studying in my school with people of lower rank them themselves I will open different classes to different ranks of the people of the city. But in that case I will also demand fees that are different. If the elite are so powerful, they must be able to pay more for knowledge. What I will not do is to block knowledge from those of lesser beginnings. The Republic of Aros will have all from peasant to elite citizen know all they wish.
Cedros believes an Harbor is a good investment as well as that loot must be distributed between all soldiers who fought in the battle. The prisoners of war can be sold as slaves but like other slaves they must be allowed to one day gain their freedom. Rules of slavery should be rechecked. None should live as slaves for their entire lives unless they wish to do so.
Lachykos obviously should be trialled by his brothers and not by common men. I suggest 2 or 3 immortals will be chosen by the people to judge lachykos.
As a last idea I believe we must continue our war on the twin cities and conquer them both to relieve them of the control of those who betrayed us and declared war on us.
I am sorry to my brothers for being so slow in my answers. I always must take my time to consider the future and how i must react to every day lives.
I have been thinking about the demands of the richer families to have a say in the finances of the city. I think that we can allow them to vote for 5 men who will together with me will help with the finances but those 5 men will not have a final say in the subject and will act only as advisors to me. I will obviously take their advice into account but we are the immortals, true defenders and rulers of the city, the ones with power and knowledge beyond all others. We should continue holding the main jobs of the city at least until we see the people of Aros fit to rule in wisdom as high as ours.
Which leads me to the next subject. My school. The powerful families should feel ashamed of themselves. Knowledge does not bound itself to those with a known family name or to those with power. Knowledge belongs to all. If the elite of the city feels bad about studying in my school with people of lower rank them themselves I will open different classes to different ranks of the people of the city. But in that case I will also demand fees that are different. If the elite are so powerful, they must be able to pay more for knowledge. What I will not do is to block knowledge from those of lesser beginnings. The Republic of Aros will have all from peasant to elite citizen know all they wish.
Cedros believes an Harbor is a good investment as well as that loot must be distributed between all soldiers who fought in the battle. The prisoners of war can be sold as slaves but like other slaves they must be allowed to one day gain their freedom. Rules of slavery should be rechecked. None should live as slaves for their entire lives unless they wish to do so.
Lachykos obviously should be trialled by his brothers and not by common men. I suggest 2 or 3 immortals will be chosen by the people to judge lachykos.
As a last idea I believe we must continue our war on the twin cities and conquer them both to relieve them of the control of those who betrayed us and declared war on us.
Anonymoose
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Artemacles:
My votes will be aligned with the Qaestor's votes with respect to the money and school and harbor and things of that nature. His knowledge of these monetary and civil things is greater than my own.
With respect to the fate of the cities, I and the Hand of Sphasia will go where Aristomachos needs us to be. If that means conquering the cities, so be it.
My votes will be aligned with the Qaestor's votes with respect to the money and school and harbor and things of that nature. His knowledge of these monetary and civil things is greater than my own.
With respect to the fate of the cities, I and the Hand of Sphasia will go where Aristomachos needs us to be. If that means conquering the cities, so be it.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
I will assisst Aristomachus as long as he tells me of his plans beforehand (that means telling me your basic strategy in an easy to understand format in chronological order 
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Orders were due 30 minutes ago, but no one has sent anything to me as yet. Come on guys!
Pushing the due date back indefinitely till we come to a conclusion (i.e. votes are made on issues, not just the senate proposed ones, but also what to do in terms of the military campaign) here in the thread.
Pushing the due date back indefinitely till we come to a conclusion (i.e. votes are made on issues, not just the senate proposed ones, but also what to do in terms of the military campaign) here in the thread.
Anonymoose
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oh goodness. I'll send orders post haste!!
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