OB04 - Five Is The Magic Number

I could use some input from the team ....

Tiwanaku is about to complete a Courthouse, which will be its 5th and last building. Since this is also our shrine city, we will have no empty slots for a Bank.

Assuming we ever get around to researching Banking, that Bank would be worth at least 10gpt and most likely more. But with city maintenance costs of 10gpt, that Courthouse will be 5gpt in our pockets today.

What do ya'll think? Finish the Courthouse or wait for Banking?

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This 5 building rule is turning out to be a lot tougher than I imagined that it would. :sad:
 
I would go with courthouse, banking is long way off and may not even be used if we go military route, not sure the two temples were the best use of two buildings. I agree that 5 building rule is turning out to be problematic.
 
I not sure the two temples were the best use of two buildings.

We needed the two temples to be able to run two priests so it would pop a GP before Babylon popped another probably useless GP; so it was the only way to guarantee the Prophet we need for our shrine.

Ralph
 
We needed the two temples to be able to run two priests so it would pop a GP before Babylon popped another probably useless GP; so it was the only way to guarantee the Prophet we need for our shrine.

Ralph

Thought that might have been the case. Pity cant sell buildings like in all previous civ games:rolleyes:
 
Lurker comment:

Don't you need a bank for Wall Street? It doesn't seem like a money city without a bank and Wall Street :crazyeye:

GS
 
Lurker comment:

Don't you need a bank for Wall Street? It doesn't seem like a money city without a bank and Wall Street :crazyeye:

GS

Actually need 4 banks for Wall Street, no way we're going to get 4 banks built with our restrictions.

You're right though, ain't much of a money city :lol:
 
I started off by asking Darius, who was pleased with us, if he could spare Aesthetics for a good friend. He felt that I was pressing him too hard. I was hoping that we could pick up Drama in some trades. The culture slider would be a quick and handy way to pop the borders in our new cities. At least until we have Music. Unfortunately, our trading options are limited. Isabella doesn't want to trade with us, and I certainly don't want to give Machinery to Ramesses.

I researched Aesthetics and Drama after Engineering completed. I started Paper on the last turn, for a possible run on Liberalism, but feel free to change it. Vicky is the only one with Paper, at the moment.

I renegotiated our resource deal with Darius. We were selling him corn and silk for 5gpt, which I renegotiated just the corn for 6gpt.

As for city builds, I completed the Courthouse in Tiwanaku and :whipped: the Courthouse in Toledo. Akkad completed its Granary and I started up a Barracks next. Toledo will be a nice commerce city one day, but in the meantime it is sorely lacking of production. I started a Library in the city.

Ramesses researched Divine Right and founded Islam, while Darius picked up the Mausoleum of Maussollos.

Ramesses decided to try for an early diplomatic win with the Apostolic Palace.

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I spent an inordinate amount of time fighting barbs during this set. They were coming down from the icy tundra in droves. We didn't lose any units, and even got one of our Macemen up to 10xp with all of the fighting.

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The barbs abated a bit after Isabella founded that city to our northeast.

A barb Galley started pillaging the fishing nets off the coast of Babylon. I built a Trireme and replaced the lost fishing boats.

I noticed, on the last turn, that a barb city had spawned to our west. In addition to the War Elephant on sentry duty, we also have a crossbow in the area.

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That Settler that Izzy had running around decided to settle right in the middle of our empire. :rolleyes: The worst part is it cut our road network, since she is unwilling to give us open borders. I had our Workers road around the city and I stationed a couple of Macemen outside of her borders.

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I know the plan is to go after Ramesses next, but we might want to consider a short altercation with Spain just to get rid of this city. With our variant, I doubt that Akkad will ever be able to win the culture war.

I moved our stack of troops to the English border, in preparation of an Egyptian invasion. It consists mostly of obsolete swords and axes. We can turn research off for 4 or 5 turns if we want to upgrade the stack. I would have done it during my turns, except I just now thought of it. :blush:

Literature is available for trade. I would suggest using Drama to pick it up, so that we can build the Heroic Epic. Its not the best site production wise, but I would consider putting the HE in Ulundi because of its proximity to the border. Cuzco would also be a good choice, while Babylon has the most hammers. Darius and Isabella also have some available gpt.
 

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We may need to finish Izzy before moving on to Egypt. If we start up again with Izzy, we need to get Madrid and the surrounding cities out of the way and re-plant a city there. I would zero reseach to upgrade our CR3 axes to maces.

The age of war begins...

Roster

Ozbenno
Ralph_Jackson
Conroe - Done
Kodii - UP
Mighty Dwaarf - On Deck


Cities Settled
1. Babylon
2. Akkad

Cities Captured
1. Cuzco
2. Tiwanaku
3. Ulundi
4. Toledo
5. Cordoba

Civics Changes
1. Tribalism -> Slavery
2. Despotism -> Representation
3. Bureaucracy & Org Religion

Great People Used

Scientist (Academy)

Wonders Built
1. Pyramids
2. Moai Statues

City Builds
1. Babylon - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
2. Cuzco - Barracks, Granary, Library, Market
3. Tiwanaku – Granary, Market, Temple, Temple, Courthouse
4. Ulundi - Library , Granary, Courthouse
5. Toledo - Granary , Courthouse
6. Cordoba - Granary, Aqueduct, Courthouse
7. Akkad - Granary, Barracks
 
I've been dealing with computer problems, so I'll need to catch up before I play. In other words, got it.
 
@Ozbenno: The city build list missed the Barracks that I built in Akkad. I also started a Library in Toledo; although it isn't finished, yet. Not sure if you are just listing completed builds or not.
 
@Ozbenno: The city build list missed the Barracks that I built in Akkad. I also started a Library in Toledo; although it isn't finished, yet. Not sure if you are just listing completed builds or not.

Got it. Just doing completed builds. Also, what about the captured buildings (2 x granaries, 1 x aqueduct)? Should they count? I don't think so but haven't had thoughts from others.
 
Got it. Just doing completed builds. Also, what about the captured buildings (2 x granaries, 1 x aqueduct)? Should they count? I don't think so but haven't had thoughts from others.
I was wondering why we built that aqueduct. :lol: Makes a lot more sense that it was captured.

Seems a bit cheesy to not count the captured buildings. But that rule has turned out to be a lot tougher than I thought it would be. So I'd probably vote to not count them. Out of curiosity, how did we handle captured wonders last game? Don't recall if they count towards our 4 limit or not. But maybe we should handle it the same way. :dunno:
 
I've been dealing with computer problems, so I'll need to catch up before I play. In other words, got it.
False alarm. My computer is back but now CIV won't run. Keep me on permaskip until I can get this figured out. Sorry :sad:
 
Ill take it if Kodii is unavailable, zero research, upgrade, attack Izzy. When research is back up should we change to Feudalism from Paper???

Will concentrate builds on Mace, phants and trebs for upcoming wars no buildings needed.

Trade Drama for Lit either rameses or vicky.

Will play in morning.
 
Traded for literature with Rameses
Also Pig to darius 4 crab
Wine toi Ram 4 4gpt

Upgraded some troops and change to feudalism
No city builds only troops.
Turn 2 DOW on Izzy,

Capture Zaragoza, Pamplona, Salamanca and Valencia

Feudalism in and changed to paper 2 turns away.

We popped a GS in Cuzco left open for discussion, poss academy or use to bulb something. (Edu??) We also have a settler we may want to settle another city in spaces that have appeared. We also have numerous workers which may need to be cut down to ease the finances.
After capturing Valencia noticed Izzy has city Vitoria to the north next to Bronze I believe she has hokked this up as a couple of maces appeared, I have dispatched some troops that way who should deal with this issue. Our main army is moving in towards Barcelona.
Darius circled the world, Vicky can research Libralism, I think we will need either grens or rifles in this one so should stick with research at the moment.

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Nice work Mighty!!

After Paper, I think we should get Guilds. Then where? I think you're right in that we'll need grens or rifles. Rifling is 7 techs away, Military Science is 4 (Guilds, Gunpowder, Chemistry only needed). We can then go for Steel straight after.

Militarily, I would raze Madrid, Barcelona and Vitoria and maybe get peace (or capitulation) and move on to Ramses. We should put down a city in the vicinity of Madrid.

Do you think we need to try and get an extra on the roster?

Got it for tomorrow by the way.

Roster

Ozbenno - UP
Ralph_Jackson - On Deck
Conroe -
Kodii - on permaskip
Mighty Dwaarf - Started the endless war

EDIT: Updated 2nd post.

EDIT2: We should get forges going in cities that can. Heroic Epic in capital?
 
We popped a GS in Cuzco left open for discussion, poss academy or use to bulb something. (Edu??)


Unfortunately I think we have used our 1 GS so this one has has be to deleted / given away...

Glad we didn't really "capture" the Spanish cities but Razed them as you had me worried for a while!!

Is it time for the Polce State, Vassallage, theocracy switch as we are in full on War mode?

Ralph
 
Hmm was hoping we forgot about the one of each Great person thing.

I would be tempted in having HE nearer the front especially if we move from beuracracy to vassalage. Agree with the forges will probs be about only buildings left that will be useful.
 
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