On a scale of one to ten , how would you rate Bush ?

In a scale of one to ten , how would you rate Bush ?

  • Ten

    Votes: 10 4.0%
  • Nine

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Eight

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Seven

    Votes: 9 3.6%
  • Six

    Votes: 7 2.8%
  • Five

    Votes: 15 6.0%
  • Four

    Votes: 25 10.0%
  • Three

    Votes: 46 18.3%
  • Two

    Votes: 47 18.7%
  • One

    Votes: 82 32.7%

  • Total voters
    251
That's a load of crap. Congress could impeach and remove him that same day.

Stop the fearmongering and imaginary world arguments.

Only Congress can declare or fund war. Period.

Until that changes (in the real world), blame them.

Stop being an apologist :p Congress cannot impeach and remove him unless one party had a far larger majority than has existed in years. Even when the Republicans impeached Clinton, they could not muster the votes to remove him. As long as Congress is partisan and divided, the president's power is an extremely difficult thing to reign in if he refuses to comply with the law. And Bush has never had much interest in complying with any law he didn't like.
 
In the real world, the President iniates a war by publically pushing for it and getting politically weak congress people at the margins to going along with hawks and loyalists to vote to authorize and fund it. He continues a war by using his bully pulpit and the lamestream press to predict doom and gloom for our troops if funding is short of his goal by a dime. Weak congress people continue to provide the marginal votes needed to fund. While certain members of Congress share a part of the blame for the war for either their loyalty to Bush, their wrongheadedness on the war, or their fear of the political consequences for going against it, you can not absolve the guy that prances around on carriers when he thinks he has become the latest war hero president.
 
Congress cannot impeach and remove him unless one party had a far larger majority than has existed in years.
I'm sure Bush would be removed immediately if he did something so egrarious. There are plenty of conservatives that value the constitution and limiting the power of the president. They would get the VP anyway, it's not like the house would go to democrats.
 
Cutlass said:
Even when the Republicans impeached Clinton, they could not muster the votes to remove him.

The Republicans didn't want to remove Clinton at the very end. Clinton's term was almost up, and they didn't care enough about ousting him to overturn the election.
 
In the real world, the President iniates a war by publically pushing for it and getting politically weak congress people at the margins to going along with hawks and loyalists to vote to authorize and fund it. He continues a war by using his bully pulpit and the lamestream press to predict doom and gloom for our troops if funding is short of his goal by a dime. Weak congress people continue to provide the marginal votes needed to fund. While certain members of Congress share a part of the blame for the war for either their loyalty to Bush, their wrongheadedness on the war, or their fear of the political consequences for going against it, you can not absolve the guy that prances around on carriers when he thinks he has become the latest war hero president.

So, now:

1) Bush has control of politically weak congressmen (democrats!).
2) Bush has control of the media. This is really laughable.

It's so amusing how Bush can transform from blithering idiot completely lacking intelligence into EVIL MASTERMIND when it is convenient for you.

Regarding "fear of going against it"... why doesn't Pelosi shut her mouth then?
 
So, now:

1) Bush has control of politically weak congressmen (democrats!).
2) Bush has control of the media. This is really laughable.

It's so amusing how Bush can transform from blithering idiot completely lacking intelligence into EVIL MASTERMIND when it is convenient for you.
Politically weak Congress people vote out of fear of political consequences.

The lamestream media plays a pretty good stenographer for the White House. The coverage on Mission Accomplished day was pretty sick. You would have expected most of them to sign up to become Bush's Lewinsky on the spot.

Bush isn't an evil mastermind or a complete idiot, but a guy that knows how to get the marginal votes begrudgingly to his side. You are almost acting like Bush doesn't even want to be in Iraq, but he is merely doing Congress' bidding and that his holding up the USS Lincoln from reaching shore earlier was just something that Congress pushed him into. That is more fantasyland than real world.
 
Bush isn't an evil mastermind or a complete idiot, but a guy that knows how to get the marginal votes begrudgingly to his side.

So, you are saying he is a competant president? That is, after all, their primary job.
 
Competent on moving Congress, incompetent on selecting objectives for them to move on.

I was not aware that it was the president's job to set congress' agenda. Does he introduce the bills?
 
Two words: Miserable failure.

I rated him a one.
 
I was not aware that it was the president's job to set congress' agenda. Does he introduce the bills?
Don't you Or are you saying that Bush in no way asked for the authorization to use force or the many requests f or money? Are you saying he and his codpiece landed on the flight deck under Congressional directive but otherwise he would have been much happier clearing brush in Crawford or hosting Talon News reporters for overnight stays in the White House?
 
Don't you Or are you saying that Bush in no way asked for the authorization to use force or the many requests f or money? Are you saying he and his codpiece landed on the flight deck under Congressional directive but otherwise he would have been much happier clearing brush in Crawford or hosting Talon News reporters for overnight stays in the White House?

I never claimed that congress set his agenda or schedule. Just answer the questions. Does he set congress' agenda and does he introduce bills?

Obfuscation is not necessary.
 
I never claimed that congress set his agenda or schedule. Just answer the questions. Does he set congress' agenda and does he introduce bills?

Obfuscation is not necessary.
If you don't think the President has influence on Congress' agenda you are living in fantasyland, no obfuscation necessary.
 
If you don't think the President has influence on Congress' agenda you are living in fantasyland, no obfuscation necessary.

And congress is not responsible for their actions regardless of that influence?

They are just pawns in the president's hands? Maybe we should just get rid of the legislative branch, if they are not going to be held responsible for their actions.
 
And congress is not responsible for their actions regardless of that influence?

They are just pawns in the president's hands? Maybe we should just get rid of the legislative branch, if they are not going to be held responsible for their actions.
Congress is responsible for their actions, just as the President is responsible for his decisions - which includes the part of his agenda he uses his bully pupit as President to get on Congress' agenda and passed. I think my previous posts clearly laid out that the blame is shared. Do you think the President should be off the hook from criticism? Why have the President if Congress is the end all, be all? Just for aircraft carrier theatrics?
 
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This thread's results so far:

10 to 1: 4, 3, 4, 4, 3, 10, 14, 25, 31, 45 (Total: 143)
Mean: 3.028
Median: 2
Mode: 1

Percentage Approval Rating: 22.53% (Mean minus 1 divided by 9 possible points)
Percentage Giving Bush an above average rating (5.5 or more): 12.59%
 
Because you think that his perpetuating American social problems will lead to some sort of socialist revolution perhaps? :confused:
There is not going to be any socialist revolution in your country in the foreseeable future. And just to make that 100% clear, while revolutions are sometimes necessary evils, that failed and exploitative system that goes by the name of capitalism should preferably be changed to one more democratic, humane and advanced by peaceful means if possible.
Anyway, socialism is the Godot of the USA.
Reality and my profession have forced me to learn more about your county's present and past than I really would like to, and frankly the level of its political maturity is so low (just look at this absurd show which you call the presidental election) that I am afraid you will be stuck with the republicrats for a while. Perhaps in 100 years, it will be ready for old-fashioned social democracy.
But of course, social unrest is usually a good thing in aggressive, interventionistic states, since it sometimes forces them to concentrate more on domestic matters.
However this one is quite close;
Let me guess. You say that because Bush is hurting the US, thus he's good in your eyes?
For once you are partly right.
Granted I find Boy King George (hereafter referred to as BKG) to be a totally loathsome individual. He strikes me as being just a typical upper class twit of that disgusting type one can find in certain English novels, born with a silver foot in his mouth (unfortunately I didn't coin that term myself), having got everything in his life handed to him on a silver platter and being ignorant, narrow-minded and completely indifferent to the people living in less privileged circumstances than himself and his friends. In fact he is so repulsive that I sometimes almost catch myself missing the Gipper...
However, when scrutinizing his politics one finds that he differs from his predecessors rather more in form and quantity than in substance and quality. He is worse than most of them but only marginally so.
Which brings me to my points (yes I admit it, I am fond of the crime novels of Boris Akunin).
First of all, he has revealed the ugly face of US imperialism in a way that we who have struggled against it for decades never managed to. US atrocities abroad is not exactly a new concept, but the complete lack of charm, civilty, diplomatic touch and communicative abilities among him and his gang of recycled Reaganites has alienated USA from people who usually would love to be the pink lapdogs of Uncle Sam (there are quite a few of this type to be found on this board even). The "damage" created here might be difficult to repair. That is point one.
Also, let's look at it from a different angle. I regard USA as an oligarchy, effectively ruled by Big Business. In such a system, the president is first and foremost the representant of the ruling class. They bring him to power (so far it has only been a "him" and it will remain so after November 2008), and he looks after their interest. BKG has been pretty good here; by among other things cutting their taxes, stealing Iraq's oil, and working for the implementation of a police state.
That is point two.
And related to that, apparently there are so many individuals in the USA whose concerns of the plights of the rich are only matched by their fear of "communism". They could hardly have wished for a better man as their Great Leader. That is point three.
So consequently, if I was Immanuel Kant, I would have given BKG one point. However I am not Kant, and as much as I respect him (Kant that is, not BKG), I believe that it is necessary to be more cynical in regard to contemporary politics, and then from my evil communist perspective the worst president ever might very well turn out to be the best...
 
-5 which is better than Hitler at -20 and Stalin at -25.

5. Average president. Being unpopular doesn't automatically make you bad, and he's probably had the hardest 8 years of anybody since FDR.

No lying to the people of the US and being lacklustre both foreign and domestic also makes you a bad president. As does using torture on suspects, refusing to listen to foreign powers, and spending most of your stint in Imaginationland.
 
High marks on immigration. High marks on Afghanistan invasion. High marks on Africa; would be very high if his AIDS policy wasn't 'abstinence only'

Actually Africa will probably be the highlight of his 8 years.

Over all, 4, higher than quite a few presidents, but still bottom 10.

Well there's Bush's problem - his policies on Africa get near nil press coverage in the U.S., hence the U.S. public is oblivious to his greatest skill and success. He should've hired you as press secretary ages ago.

Seriously though, his policies on Africa get near-nil coverage in the States. I can't comment on whether I think they are good or not simply because I couldn't even say for sure what they are (think I saw something about increased food aid on the front page today but that's about it).

Afghanistan I would agree with. Though it was kind of obvious once it was determined who attacked us, definitely a good move. The handling of it - OK until 19/20 of our guys left Afghanistan to Iraq. Still haven't figured out where in Iraq they thought they'd find Bin Laden :confused:.

Immigration is a very divisive issue in America. I personally think it should be encouraged (more so than it is now, at least), but don't care enough about it to rate what I thought of a president on it - at least not unless he went really xenophobic.

Voted a 1. Thought about giving a 2 but couldn't in good conscience.
 
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