Online petition for an updated Civ III editor

[Stormrage]

Oh come on, what are you going to do with 128 civs? 64 sounds right.

 

[Virote_Considon]

You'd be surprised...

 

[BadKharma]

@ TA Jones you do realize of course that if you add a luxury resource in order for it to show up you need to also add to the luxuryicons_small.pcx.

 

[rifleman]

@ Logitech - I understand how using too many civs in a game could bog it down, but if we do increase it, 45 seems too small.

I agree with Virote, I'm no programer, but 64 seems like a number that wouldn't be too difficult to enact - and it would be great to have.

 

[Virote_Considon]

But 64 can still be easily reached. 128 is a god number because the only people who are going to reach it are really just going to be the ones who tried. And if they can increase to 64, then 128 should be easy, too

 

[Mirc]

^ Why a limit at all? Just think about the possibilities of having only "trade" civilizations in the game, with no cities, I can think of so many ways for this, and so many uses for this. As well as other things that unlimited civs would give you.

 

[Virote_Considon]

A limit is probably needed to stop a memory leak, or something. I forget the reasons I that learned as to why variable memory sizes (or something along those lines) are bad, but they can be bad.

 

[I_batman]

Folks, I think you should be looking a this another way.
Too be blunt, this is a colossal waste of time talking about what you would like to see in an updated editor. It is like talking about what the Patriots should have done last year to beat Indy. It is a dead issue.

What you should be focusing your time on is working out a better plan/offering than I had last year to get Take2 to release/sell the source code. My pitch to them fell on deaf ears, or was summarily rejected. I don't know, because they never had the courtesy to respond (with one notable exception, in an unofficial capacity).

So instead of spending all this energy talking about what you would like to see, work together to come up with a good business plan that Take2 would be interested in.
I failed to do that, so learn from that and formulate a better one.
Or spend your time learning C++ so you can help Steph with his project.

Otherwise, you are completely wasting time and energy.

 

[Stormrage]

I agree with Mr.Wayne here wow:.. People do know your real name these days, right? ).

I tried sleeping with them, chasing them with both sharp and blunt thingies.. but they won`t give up! How do get the bloody code?

 

[T.A JONES]

@ TA Jones you do realize of course that if you add a luxury resource in order for it to show up you need to also add to the luxuryicons_small.pcx.

Oh ok, well thanks then. I'll see if Kingpin can hit this on the next patch for Balancer Reloaded. Many still use that mod so Its worth the fix I believe.

Positve Update: Cuz of this thread everyone will now see the newly added resources in the lux bar when playing Balancer Reloaded. Now no matter what, we can't say no good has come from this thread anymore

 

[Logitech]

Baty,
I half agree with you. But it can't hurt to exchange ideas that are imposible to do at the moment. I, for one, find the idea of 128 civs very atractive, and the posiblity of that happening (a new editor being released) is one that depends on us. I'm no expert, but I think something (or someone) will arise and 'solve' or 'create' most our ideas. But I agree that we need to try something different, or try harder.
I (like most civ moders, I'm sure) would love to let their imaginations go beyond the limitations in place, and I'm for anything that will get us there.

 

[Steph]

Folks, I think you should be looking a this another way.
Too be blunt, this is a colossal waste of time talking about what you would like to see in an updated editor. It is like talking about what the Patriots should have done last year to beat Indy. It is a dead issue.
.

I fully agree trying to list what we want to add is a bit futile as long as we don't know how to add it.

What you should be focusing your time on is working out a better plan/offering than I had last year to get Take2 to release/sell the source code. My pitch to them fell on deaf ears, or was summarily rejected. I don't know, because they never had the courtesy to respond (with one notable exception, in an unofficial capacity).

We nned a good point of contact, someone who would actually read what we send and answer it. Something a bit more fleshy than an automated email answer.

So instead of spending all this energy talking about what you would like to see, work together to come up with a good business plan that Take2 would be interested in.

I have ideas for a businnes plan, and I think I can write something that may interest them. But it doesn't solve problem 1: who should we send it to?

Or spend your time learning C++ so you can help Steph with his project.

1- Steph is programming in C#, not C++
2- I don't need only programmer to help. Designer and/or graphists are also needed

 

[cometflash]

A limit is probably needed to stop a memory leak, or something. I forget the reasons I that learned as to why variable memory sizes (or something along those lines) are bad, but they can be bad.

But I agreed with Mirc. Remember this is an editor, and not the change of the game. If someone has a powerfull computer, I think they can run the game with lots of civs, for those who doesn't have such, could use less civs.

 

[Steph]

But I agreed with Mirc. Remember this is an editor, and not the change of the game. If someone has a powerfull computer, I think they can run the game with lots of civs, for those who doesn't have such, could use less civs.

You do realise that if you change the editor, but the internal code structure of the game is not updated, the game will probably crash, don't you?

 

[Mirc]

That's exactly what i was thinking when I read that post.

 

[I_batman]

We need a good point of contact, someone who would actually read what we send and answer it. Something a bit more fleshy than an automated email answer.

I have ideas for a business plan, and I think I can write something that may interest them. But it doesn't solve problem 1: who should we send it to?

I had conversations with Jason Bergman last autumn. Jason works out ( I don't know if he is still there after the shareholder revolt and subsequent house-cleaning) of the Manhattan office of Take2. I went over a proposal with a few of the Civfanatics guys I have a lot of respect for, and mailed it last October/November to their Broadway office. Jason told me he was not the decision-maker, but he would kick it upstairs. He did that.
But I never heard anything more from the higher-ups, even though Jason and I exchanged a few more emails. All this I posted some time ago on in one of these threads.

I would suggest you see if Jason is still at Take2, talk to him, and see if the climate has changed since the regime change there. Oz also has a contact at the Broadway office, or had.

 

[Abaddon]

- would like to add my name to this

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

2- I don't need only programmer to help. Designer and/or graphists are also needed

What sort of graphics do you need?

 

[Stormrage]

Holy Crap, Abbadon, what happened to you!?

I_batman - does Take 2 have any hot secretaries? cos I`d take 2 of those

 

[cubsfan6506]

Maybe if we could get some apolyton guys to...