Online petition for an updated Civ III editor

[Steph]

Not that I don't share your dismay (even disgust) but they are a business and clearly they see little if any reward in helping us (of course, there's also my theory that they're just embarrassed to let anyone see how poor their code is).

Best,

Oz

That's why instead of begging I proposed an approach that could solve both problem (reward for them, and embarrasment to show the code)

 

[Virote_Considon]

I'm supportive of any idea, ATM.

 

[Mirc]

Same!!!!!!!

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm still a student.

What I previously said is being contradicted by their actions. Their actions are selfish and is not how anyone should approach a job. A job should not be look on as "what can I get out of it" but "how can others as well as me benefit from this." Yes I know that the bitter truth is that the former is the way it is today. Ideally it jobs should be approached with an attitude of the latter. My point is that 2k is therefore being selfish and should give us the source code to disprove mine, as well as many other CIV fan's feelings towards them.

Capitalism = Selfishness + (charitable tax breaks where applicable). Given your laudatory view, I sincerely recommend avoiding the private sector (except for a very few socially responsible companies) when you enter the job market.

Sincerely,

Oz

 

[TopGun]

It's not quite as simple as that. TO them it's economics.

It's all about the bottom line. Period. We live in a capitalist society. End of story.

 

[I_batman]

I'm still a student.

What I previously said is being contradicted by their actions. Their actions are selfish and is not how anyone should approach a job. A job should not be look on as "what can I get out of it" but "how can others as well as me benefit from this." Yes I know that the bitter truth is that the former is the way it is today. Ideally it jobs should be approached with an attitude of the latter. My point is that 2k is therefore being selfish and should give us the source code to disprove mine, as well as many other CIV fan's feelings towards them.

Sorry, Ployphemus, but you are wrong. Not exactly your fault though. You say you are a student, and likely relatively young, and not exactly worldly.
Your idealism is well intended, but quite naive. Like you said, the "bitter truth" is most people don't do a job for the passion of the job, or for altruistic reasons. It is to pay the mortgage, make the car payments, put food on the table, pay for video games.

Your point is invalid in a capitalistic state. 2K has every right and is fully expected by their shareholders to make a profit. There was a shareholder revolt and subsequent complete wiping out of upper management at 2K just a few months ago due to the incompetence of the former management.

2K must believe, correctly or incorrectly, there is no profit in giving up the code. Hence the will not. End of story.

 

[warmwaffles]

If anything they need to release an SDK of some kind for the game to be completely modded inside and out.

Sorry for digging this thread from the 1 month grave yard but I will be more than happy to sign up for a petition.

 

[Virote_Considon]

It was only a 23 minute graveyard

 

[cubsfan6506]

I was totaly going to say that.

 

[Mirc]

Haha me too.

To Drivebymaster: I don't think they can release an SDK, isn't it supposed to be programmed from the beginning to accept SDK access?

 

[Ozymandias]

Haha me too.

To Drivebymaster: I don't think they can release an SDK, isn't it supposed to be programmed from the beginning to accept SDK access?

That's the presumed lack of APIs Steph & I were joking about earlier in the thread.

-Oz

 

[Logitech]

Batman,
Why the negitive attitude?

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

lol- so chosing not to buy something is robbery now- interesting concept there

 

[Phlegmak]

I just read the last 3 pages of this thread. No one has any incentive to give out the Civ 3 source. If they did that:

* Modders would produce new Civ 3 material
* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders
* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's

Giving away the Civ 3 source code is a lose-lose situation for the people who own it.

 

[Mirc]

I just read the last 3 pages of this thread. No one has any incentive to give out the Civ 3 source. If they did that:

* Modders would produce new Civ 3 material
* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders
* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's

Giving away the Civ 3 source code is a lose-lose situation for the people who own it.

well, first, giving the code is not the only solution, but the better one.

Second:
"* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders"

No way. Look in the Civ4 forums, they HATE Civ3 with vengeance. They would never buy it.

"* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's"

No, they will produce their own Civ3-like games. Civ4 was built from scratch, AFAIK, and they SAID they are not going to improve Civ3 any further, so absolutely no damage done.

 

[Steph]

I just read the last 3 pages of this thread. No one has any incentive to give out the Civ 3 source. If they did that:

* Modders would produce new Civ 3 material
* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders
* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's

Giving away the Civ 3 source code is a lose-lose situation for the people who own it.

No it's not. My proposal includes a gain/loss part for them, and risks. I've send a message thinking, "As 2K, a company whose goal is to make profit, what could pick my interest?"

Let's just hope they will read an answer, and that my proposal is interesting enough.

 

[Mirc]

Sometimes I feel we're just children dreaming about certain things, until Steph comes like a loving father and provides a real solution for us all, that amazes and awes us all. And the bad people in the world don't listen to him as often as they should.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

I just read the last 3 pages of this thread. No one has any incentive to give out the Civ 3 source. If they did that:

* Modders would produce new Civ 3 material
* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders
* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's

Giving away the Civ 3 source code is a lose-lose situation for the people who own it.

Firaxis has sold off the license to several budget companies anyways, which means that Firaxis itself wouldn't benefit in any other manner, as long as it does not release the code along with a new license game package or addon/scenario- That however also means they would not lose out either. So it certainly does not hurt Firaxis at this point if they'd release the Civ3 code (which a lot of Firaxis coders have proven not to master anyhow).

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

ps. ... that's why we all love our Steph

 

[Stormrage]

I just read the last 3 pages of this thread. No one has any incentive to give out the Civ 3 source. If they did that:

* Modders would produce new Civ 3 material
* Gamers would be less inclined to buy Civ 4 or future games from Firaxis or 2k (whoever that is) because of the new, free material made by modders
* Competitors will learn how Civ 3 was made. Competitors will produce their own Civ like games
* Gamers will buy the competitors' products instead of Firaxis's or 2k's

Giving away the Civ 3 source code is a lose-lose situation for the people who own it.

Well, they released the Civ4 code...