El Koeno
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Never really impressed with Opera. I've been using FF since 1.5, and with each new release gave it up. Except for the last one... But I've tried Opera 8 and 9....
Looks slick tho. (But then, most ads do.) Have to check it out.
Looks slick tho. (But then, most ads do.) Have to check it out.
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I guess you can say what you want about opera, but it IS slick.
I guess browser are 90% about what you're used to. I used to use FF, but I've decided to use Opera for my laptop and I haven't looked back. (Apart from the occasional time I'd middle-click a bookmark.)
I downloaded the Alpha. It does render faster than FF, it seems to me. And it is an Alpha, so that should improve so long as they don't bog it down with a bunch of extra stuff.
One thing I don't like about Opera or FF (maybe I just haven't figured out how to do this yet) is it locks everything down. If you turn on the Bookmarks bar, for instance, it's where they want it. One of the things I really like about Avant is that you can put just about every toolbar anywhere you want it. Multiple toolbars on the same line, floating toolbars, whatever.
But yeah, 10 looks good so far.
One thing I don't like about Opera or FF (maybe I just haven't figured out how to do this yet) is it locks everything down. If you turn on the Bookmarks bar, for instance, it's where they want it. One of the things I really like about Avant is that you can put just about every toolbar anywhere you want it. Multiple toolbars on the same line, floating toolbars, whatever.
But yeah, 10 looks good so far.
Opera 10 looks impressive, but I tend to stay away from beta/alpha stuff, I need stability for my stuff.
With Opera, you can set which side of the screen you want any of the toolbars on, and while you can't technically put multiple toolbars on the same line, you can put any of the buttons, fields, spacers, etc. on any toolbar you want.
With Opera, you can set which side of the screen you want any of the toolbars on, and while you can't technically put multiple toolbars on the same line, you can put any of the buttons, fields, spacers, etc. on any toolbar you want.
That's probably what I'll have to do then, just make my own.
Genocidicbunny
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Firefox 3.1b still feels faster to me. In clean installs of either version, FF 3.1b just seems to render faster, although Opera 10 is great too. I doubt the difference would be that big for a casual user.
Ill wait until Opera 10 hits beta before I use it more regularly.
Ill wait until Opera 10 hits beta before I use it more regularly.
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I haven't tried the alpha yet but this makes sense. Both FF and Opera are nearly as quick usually. I don't know how they measure the difference, but I'm usually unable to detect it. Although FF2 with a lot of add-ons was very slow.
It's weird Opera has such a small marketshare by the way. It is a pretty good browser. The main drawback is the lack of extensions (IEtab is a godsend sometimes), but I know quite a few people who don't even use FF extensions.
Genocidicbunny
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Afaik, it used to be a piece of commercial software ( it cost money) while Firefox got publicized as a free alternative to IE. Either way, FireFox got a lot more publicity, so its a lot more widely used.
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True. But being the rational consumers that we are, we'd surely all pick the poduct that's best for us right?
allunderheaven
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I use Opera most of the time, and I have tried the alpha release of Opera 10, I must admit, it feels a bit faster and smoother and it is surprisingly stable for an alpha release but I will wait for the stable release next year.
True. But being the rational consumers that we are, we'd surely all pick the poduct that's best for us right?
Sure we would. That's why MS has a nearly 90% market share....
On topic: I started using Opera back around version 5.0. Even paid for it. I still install it on my Linux desktop. But I'm lazy, and FF is the default browser on my install, so I don't usually bother to actually use Opera, these days.
Bestbank Tiger
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I'm using Opera right now. It's the best one overall. Unfortunately some websites are incompatible with it.
Internet Explorer flat out sucks. It's slower than molasses in January and it has a huge security hole that just got discovered.
Internet Explorer flat out sucks. It's slower than molasses in January and it has a huge security hole that just got discovered.
Genocidicbunny
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This one's in favor of Opera. I was having problems getting a online divx video to play in FF 3.1b, but Opera 10 opened and ran it fine, even without stuttering at fullscreen resolution. ( My laptop is old mind you, so fullscreen videos of 1400x1050 can stutter, especially if they're web-based)
Shadylookin
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I always thought opera was released under some proprietary license which is why it never gained popularity. It was never as compatable as IE and not opensource(or so I thought) like mozilla so it never found it's niche.
That's part of the problem, I think. Opera never had a big company at his back (as IE does) nor did it ever had that "Opensource is cool"-Aura attached to it
As for compatible, I guess it depends what you mean by it. Opera has always been quite ahead of IE when it comes to supporting the officieal W3C-Standards... (and the Opera 10 alpha passes the Acid 3 test.)
Yeah, Opera is not open-source. It is free-to-use, but the code is all proprietary.
Maniacal
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I hate toolbars anyways (besides address, back/forwards/reload, tab and the line that lists menus like File Bookmarks etc). It also pisses me off when I update Opera that one of the toolbars keeps getting reset to appear. But that is a minor annoyance and fixed in 5 seconds.
Besides that, I am perfectly happy with Opera. I rarly have compatibility problems, like, a handful of times, and half of those are with Photobucket when they decide to uglyfie the layout or change something again, which is fixed after a week or so and for me not a big deal.
Besides that, I am perfectly happy with Opera. I rarly have compatibility problems, like, a handful of times, and half of those are with Photobucket when they decide to uglyfie the layout or change something again, which is fixed after a week or so and for me not a big deal.
Shadylookin
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That's part of the problem, I think. Opera never had a big company at his back (as IE does) nor did it ever had that "Opensource is cool"-Aura attached to it
As for compatible, I guess it depends what you mean by it. Opera has always been quite ahead of IE when it comes to supporting the officieal W3C-Standards... (and the Opera 10 alpha passes the Acid 3 test.)
yes but once upon a time most webpages were made with IE in mind so it was the defacto standard
I would give opera a whirl, but it's not in the debian repositories and I'm lazy. If only it were opensource
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