Own And Played Every Civ From 3 To 6

[DukeSammael]

Been playing since 1. I also played Colonization, Master of Magic, Alpha Centauri, and others. VII map and cities look the best to me, UI and leaders are pretty horrendous but I think those are probably the easiest things to fix.

 

[Olleus]

The developers have obviously worked very hard on the look of the game, animations for unit movement and interaction.

Have they? Lots of people are complaining very vocally about the leaders if nothing else. Personally, the change in graphics "quality" from Civ6 doesn't seem huge to me. Generally, I'd say that most games, outside of AAA action games, have had plateaued graphics for a decade or so. At least in a technical sense: polygon counts, resolution, and so on. PCs certainly feel like they need upgrading less often now than before.

I don't care about graphics quality much either, but I do like when a game has a cohesive style that it's going for. I prefer a slightly "cleaner" look that borders on cartoony representations that a strict attempt at photo-realism, and Civ6 seems to hit the balance well enough to my tastes. And, when we're talking about aesthetic style, taste is all we can talk about.

And Civ2, which didn't have 3D art yet, embraced the silliness so much it probably outsillies any later game.

The squabbling advisors of Civ2, made with actual footage of real people, is a level of goofiness we'll probably never see again now that Civilization has gone mainstream. Then again, the wonder videos from the same itteration (also made with real footage when possible) were awe-inspiring, despite being painfully low resolution to modern eyes.

 

[aieeegrunt]

I loved and played the hell out of Civilizations 3, 4, and 5. I tried to play 6 and gave it hundreds maybe even a thousand hours over 6 months. I never really liked Civ 6 and went back to Civ 5 and have been playing that ever since. Of course I am going to have Civ 7 on release day and I will give it a fair chance. Based on the previews I have very little hope for this version of my favorite game. The developers have obviously worked very hard on the look of the game, animations for unit movement and interaction. What a waste of time. To me that equates to a finely crafted Chess set with ornate hand crafted crystal playing pieces, a complete and total waste of time and money.

I hope Civilization VII is a great game, but the attempt to appeal to children with the silly animations is not promising.

If you have very little hope for this game why would you reward them with a day one purchase?

 

[wesplaysciv]

Does “trying to play” a game for a thousand hours count as actually playing the game?

 

[Zaarin]

At least in a technical sense: polygon counts, resolution, and so on. PCs certainly feel like they need upgrading less often now than before.

While to some extent true, lighting engines (not even considering raytracing specifically) have improved dramatically over the past ten years.

 

[Olleus]

Does “trying to play” a game for a thousand hours count as actually playing the game?

Depends, maybe he was just trying to find the launch button?

 

[Disgustipated]

Civ3? Noob.

Yeah us real Civvers started with Civ 2. I would have started with Civ 1, but I had a Commodore 64 back in those days, and I'm not sure that game even released on that. I had joined the military, so I was unable to play video games for several years anyways. Didn't get a PC until 1995.

The squabbling advisors of Civ2, made with actual footage of real people, is a level of goofiness we'll probably never see again now that Civilization has gone mainstream. Then again, the wonder videos from the same itteration (also made with real footage when possible) were awe-inspiring, despite being painfully low resolution to modern eyes.

So I heard that there is a military advisor in Civ 7 according to the Ursa video, and he actually did warn him that there were troops building up near one of his cities, and those troops did declare on him. Really cool feature. Kind of nice to have the military advisor be somewhat useful. Unlike the military advisor in Civ2 always getting on you for building city walls. But those are still so iconic, I can remember his voice to this day. And especially the voice of the science advisor. As silly as they were, they were very memorable.

 

[number51]

No one was saying “Pfftt, Nintendo screwed up by focusing too much on the graphics” when Super Mario World came out.

Thank you so much for clarifying my point. Silly animations are perfect for light hearted children's games like Super Mario. The Civilization series of games are serious games intended for adults.Silly animations have no place in a serious game.

 

[Zaarin]

Thank you so much for clarifying my point. Silly animations are perfect for light hearted children's games like Super Mario. The Civilization series of games are serious games intended for adults.Silly animations have no place in a serious game.

Don't worry. When you grow up, you'll stop worrying about perceived childishness.

 

[Professor Phobo]

Don't worry. When you grow up, you'll stop worrying about perceived childishness.

CS Lewis has entered the chat.

 

[number51]

If you have very little hope for this game why would you reward them with a day one purchase?

I have been posting here for 18 years and playing the Civilizations series for longer than that. I love the series and will try whatever the next version is. I hope I am wrong about the focus on silly animation, I hope it is another great game in my favorite series.

 

[number51]

Don't worry. When you grow up, you'll stop worrying about perceived childishness.

Some games are intended for children, others for adults. If you are unable to grasp that concept, you are probably a child.

 

[Olleus]

Thank you so much for clarifying my point. Silly animations are perfect for light hearted children's games like Super Mario. The Civilization series of games are serious games intended for adults.Silly animations have no place in a serious game.

I'm afraid that, by your own definition, Civilization is not a serious adult game then. It's had very silly things, including animations, since before you started playing it.

 

[Zaarin]

CS Lewis has entered the chat.

"When I became a man, I put aside childish things, including a fear of childishness and a need to feel very grown up." It's a great line.

 

[number51]

I'm afraid that, by your own definition, Civilization is not a serious adult game then. It's had very silly things, including animations, since before you started playing it.

Incorrect. Thanks for trying!

 

[Olleus]

Incorrect. Thanks for trying!

[citation needed]

Luckily, I have sources for my claim. Are you going to argue that:

didn't happen in Civilization 2, or that Elvis in a toga & sunglasses getting in an argument is not silly?

 

[number51]

[citation needed]

Luckily, I have sources for my claim. Are you going to argue that:

didn't happen in Civilization 2, or that Elvis in a toga & sunglasses getting in an argument is not silly?

Completely silly. That is a cut scene and not part of game play.

Keep trying!!!

 

[Gorbles]

Thank you so much for clarifying my point. Silly animations are perfect for light hearted children's games like Super Mario. The Civilization series of games are serious games intended for adults.Silly animations have no place in a serious game.

Famously, no adult alive has ever enjoyed Super Mario. The fact half my work office played Odyssey at the same time on release is merely an anecdote.

I mean, it is, but I think you get the point, yeah? The fact that it is or isn't "for kids" shouldn't even be relevant (contextually). We're not talking about Doom here.

Anyhow I've been unusually active on here recently (I'm normally confined to hot takes in Off Topic), so I'd just like to reiterate that preference is completely valid and that there's nothing wrong with disliking (or liking) any Civ game. But c'mon, criticism can work without dumping on perfectly good games that people enjoy.

 

[Olleus]

Completely silly. That is a cut scene and not part of game play.

Keep trying!!!

Ah, you went for a modified "Not in civilization 2" defence, clever! However, it's not a cut scene, it's something that happens in a small window while you're playing the rest of the game. How is that not part of gameplay? Just because it's not on the map? Then silly leader animations wouldn't count either. More fundamentally, not all of a civilization game is on the map, but it's still game play. Also, isn't a spearman fighting a tank the size of a city block silly (no animation found, but it obviously existed)?

It's okay, one day you'll realise that being wrong about something is not the end of the world. Admiting your mistakes is actually a very adult thing, trying to carve out exemptions in a no true Scotsman fallacy fashion is far more childish/

 

[number51]

Famously, no adult alive has ever enjoyed Super Mario. The fact half my work office played Odyssey at the same time on release is merely an anecdote.

I mean, it is, but I think you get the point, yeah? The fact that it is or isn't "for kids" shouldn't even be relevant (contextually). We're not talking about Doom here.

Anyhow I've been unusually active on here recently (I'm normally confined to hot takes in Off Topic), so I'd just like to reiterate that preference is completely valid and that there's nothing wrong with disliking (or liking) any Civ game. But c'mon, criticism can work without dumping on perfectly good games that people enjoy.

I agree 100%. I love playing Mario games, but I understand the difference between an arcade game and a serious strategy game.