P666-04 : Yet Another Trash Game

[FeedBack]

Ok, I'm starting to regret making the suggestion of two-week rounds. The first week only Cabert and I did something with this game. Well, some may have done but haven't posted.
I know this is probably the last round for this game, but it's an experience for the others to come.
So, I'll just spoiler my result here:

Spoiler :

Ok, I finished the game in 1838 AD (9 turns after our limit) and got a Augustus Caesar rating with 33532 points. It's my second prince win ever and the second most points n my HoF. Only beaten by Mice's Many Leaders Game. I'm starting to like these games.
I thought I could end in 1820 AD. I had only one problem: Kublai unvassalized sometime in the middle of Mao's war. When I got Mao, I started a two-front war with both the Khans. Kublai revassalized soon after I got his largest city again. But Genghis.... That stubborn. I razed his capital early in the round. I have to check for exact dates. But I left him with three cities in 1820 AD. I had to took another two (and that costed me 8 turns because the troops were far from them). He only vassalized when he was with ONE city left. I was pretty much looking forward to finish him, but it would have costed me another 3 or 4 turns, so I accepted his capitulation.

That's it. I hope to see (and join) another trash game in few weeks. But I'll leave this discussion for later. After you guys finish this one.

 

[cabert]

Ok, I'm starting to regret making the suggestion of two-week rounds. The first week only Cabert and I did something with this game. Well, some may have done but haven't posted.
I know this is probably the last round for this game, but it's an experience for the others to come.

It's the last useful round IMHO.

Spoiler :

Ok, I finished the game in 1838 AD (9 turns after our limit) and got a Augustus Caesar rating with 33532 points.

I finished in 1832 for just a few thousands more points.

It's my second prince win ever and the second most points n my HoF. Only beaten by Mice's Many Leaders Game. I'm starting to like these games.

I thought I could end in 1820 AD. I had only one problem: Kublai unvassalized sometime in the middle of Mao's war.

I saw this coming, that's why I kept a few cities (to avoid the 50% land problem )

When I got Mao, I started a two-front war with both the Khans. Kublai revassalized soon after I got his largest city again. But Genghis.... That stubborn. I razed his capital early in the round. I have to check for exact dates. But I left him with three cities in 1820 AD. I had to took another two (and that costed me 8 turns because the troops were far from them). He only vassalized when he was with ONE city left. I was pretty much looking forward to finish him, but it would have costed me another 3 or 4 turns, so I accepted his capitulation.

He is indeed stubbron, but I got him to capitualte with 2 cities

That's it. I hope to see (and join) another trash game in few weeks. But I'll leave this discussion for later. After you guys finish this one.

we have done :
- domination
- space
- cultural although not in the trash format
- conquest

we're missing diplomacy and time. Not really the easiest to salvage. Not sure what should be next.

 

[pigswill]

Finished in 1844.

Spoiler :

Got a bit repetitive: capture, raze, capture, raze. GK refused to capitulate so I destroyed his last three cities in 1842.

 

[futurehermit]

Hey guys, I'm just curious if there's actually going to be discussion of this final round? I can't seem to find the motivation to play it out (seems inevitable...), but I will especially not do it if we're not going to really discuss it anyway?

thks
fh

 

[cabert]

Hey guys, I'm just curious if there's actually going to be discussion of this final round? I can't seem to find the motivation to play it out (seems inevitable...), but I will especially not do it if we're not going to really discuss it anyway?

The thing is to offer some learning material.
Discussing a finished game isn't so hot, but comparing strats can give a lot of afterthoughts.

Spoiler :

When I see 1832 finish time for me, 1838 finish time for Fbelintani, 1844 finish time for Pigswill, I think :
- there is room for improvement = discussion
- some significative differences will show = learning material.

I'm much better at finishing games than at starting them. But I really have the feeling I did a few things wrong here (not on the diplo side, or the vassal control, but the reinforcements were too slow)

 

[Öjevind Lång]

The thing is to offer some learning material.
Discussing a finished game isn't so hot, but comparing strats can give a lot of afterthoughts.

Spoiler :

When I see 1832 finish time for me, 1838 finish time for Fbelintani, 1844 finish time for Pigswill, I think :
- there is room for improvement = discussion
- some significative differences will show = learning material.

I'm much better at finishing games than at starting them. But I really have the feeling I did a few things wrong here (not on the diplo side, or the vassal control, but the reinforcements were too slow)

I thought we were meant to stop at 1820?

 

[cabert]

I thought we were meant to stop at 1820?

yep, but seeing I had only a handful of cities to take before the win, I just went on and said so.
If in 1820, you're still far away from a win, we may need to go back from there.
Did you play already?

 

[futurehermit]

I guess I will try and play my round with the goal of winning prior to 1820. If it can help others learn, then I'm all for it

edit: maybe I will also try and do a detailed post of how I went about it if I am able to get under 1820...

 

[cabert]

I guess I will try and play my round with the goal of winning prior to 1820. If it can help others learn, then I'm all for it

edit: maybe I will also try and do a detailed post of how I went about it if I am able to get under 1820...

yep!
That + bragging rights should be enough of an incentive

 

[FeedBack]

The thing is to offer some learning material.
Discussing a finished game isn't so hot, but comparing strats can give a lot of afterthoughts.

Absolutely correct. I've already learnt that you cannot raze everything in sight when you're going to accept someone's capitulation.

Spoiler :

I'm much better at finishing games than at starting them. But I really have the feeling I did a few things wrong here (not on the diplo side, or the vassal control, but the reinforcements were too slow)

I think I can say I'm the opposite. I like starting games but I cannot keep them going and, mainly, finishing them. But I had about 4 or 5 SoD's by the time I finished the game. I even could open a two-front war with both Khans without risking anything. I kept pumping cannons and drafting rifles from my closest cities like no tomorrow. Well, there was no tomorrow!
That said, I moved deeper with my main forces while the reinforcements took the nearest cities.

Shall we start posting the save/replays/reviews already?

 

[cabert]

Shall we start posting the save/replays/reviews already?

well, the 2 weeks are nearing the end
so fire away.
I don't really want to open the replays, but I'd like to read the afterthoughts of everyone.

 

[pigswill]

Afterthoughts:

Spoiler :

It seems that the more people dislike you the longer they take to capitulate and a good way to become unpopular is raze cities (at -3 diplo a time) so that's worth knowing.
It would also have been worth building some galleons to launch attacks from old Japan against Mao and Genghis.
I played a shadow game from my 2400bc save and got a 1760 conquest victory so it can be done earlier.

 

[mice]

Hi chaps, just checking in to say that although I started in this thread I wont finish off because I'm very much out of the swing of the game and it is a won game. I read the thread with interest. Nice game.

 

[Cam_H]

Shall we start posting the save/replays/reviews already?

Absolutely.

____

My apologies ... it's been two weeks and I've still not quite got there. I'll try to get to it tomorrow (combination of RL and another Civ4 distraction).

Good to see that the game prompted some strategic re-assessments.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Look, what's happening? No one does anything. I didn't bother to post my game since it was so bad, but if that's what it takes to get this going again, I'll offer myself up as the recipient for the trash nomination this time too.

 

[Cam_H]

Look, what's happening? No one does anything.

If it makes you feel better, I did play the game for about an hour on the weekend, but I'm a long way from either the proposed end of round finish time let alone winning.

Öjevind - I guess the best thing may be for you to post your game if you would like some pointers from the others as to what you think that you might have done wrong.

I am a little surprised that some of the guys seemed to make a clean sweep of the landmass, as Genghis already had Cavalry not long into my partial round. I went after Communism and have captured The Pyramids from a technology/civics perspective, but still feel as though I need to work toward Rifling.

Apologies again though, I have been hideously side-tracked this month!

 

[cabert]

If it makes you feel better, I did play the game for about an hour on the weekend, but I'm a long way from either the proposed end of round finish time let alone winning.

Öjevind - I guess the best thing may be for you to post your game if you would like some pointers from the others as to what you think that you might have done wrong.

I am a little surprised that some of the guys seemed to make a clean sweep of the landmass, as Genghis already had Cavalry not long into my partial round. I went after Communism and have captured The Pyramids from a technology/civics perspective, but still feel as though I need to work toward Rifling.

Apologies again though, I have been hideously side-tracked this month!

I went straight for rifling (no scimet didn't seem THAT important to me), and drafted an army of riflemen.
Is that what you meant?
I didn't use US this time (a little change from time to time ), but nationhood and slavery provided the bulk of my force (+ futurehermit gave us such a big army that we didn't really need more for a while)

 

[FeedBack]

I was willing to post something here during the weekend, but my cable provider backstabbed me and I hadn't internet access, sorry.
I'm glad to hear about someone here. I didn't want this game to come this far and die in limbo. Let's get this finished, please!!!

Spoiler FB's round strategy :

I pretty much did what cabert did. Draft, draft, draft. I didn't bother with SciMeth, and I didn't bother with WW and stuff like that. Every time I needed another troop, I drafted it. A bunch of cities were producing Wealth by the end, as I needed to support the troops. I think I didn't keep one city in my turnset. I razed everything in sight!

I'll try to post some details and screenies from my save tonight, if my wife lets me.

 

[futurehermit]

hi all, admittedly i've lost interest in this game...i can't promise i will finish it, just thought i'd let you know where i stand it was fun, but i've learned not really my thing. i've found i like discussion about a common game much more than i like parallel play and limited discussion...

 

[Cam_H]

Thanks for the feedback ... I'm seemingly going down a completely different pathway to a few (the rest?) of you, although I suspect you'll do (done) better.

I guess to re-cap where I'm at; Universal Suffrage + State Property plus heading towards Infantry (my likely stopping point for ). I've got a relatively slow build on The Kremlin going, but I'm guessing I'll be most of the way towards the end before it gets built. I'm still producing the odd City Raider Maceman > Grenadier amongst the Cannons. Had more luck with my 30% battles than my 75% battles . Kicking about Asoka right now, but very wary of Mao and Genghis.

I don't think that where I'm at is too bad, and one of my less efforts ... but to be repetative I suspect the more 'hardline' approach with rushing Rifles may be more punchy and effective than building towards Infantry. The aim is to win a Conquest victory, and having a large and content population may not be as powerful choice as having a large and terrifying army!

Futurehermit - thanks for letting us know where you're at. I do think that this game did have a much larger proportion of experienced players, and Pigswill, Cabert and I have all probably lifted a level ourselves, so the 'educational' thing wasn't emphasised quite as much, although I am always interested to see others' efforts and different strategies ... as per above for instance.

I promise that I will finish my game, but don't want to hold up proceedings.

Öjevind - it might be good if you did post your game if you think that it's trashy so we can all give it a go.