Paul Pelosi attack

[Narz]

Nobody is blaming him (altho he's not a very sympathic character). Just surprised @ his lack of defense.

 

[El_Machinae]

Intruder in Trudeau's home left threatening note on a line of butcher knives

Trudeau says he and his wife, Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau, have had some “very serious discussions” over the past 24 hours about the extensive travel his role as leader…

nationalpost.com

Trudeau also had a break in at his house, followed by threats.

It actually surprises me more that, despite all the rhetoric, politicians aren't attacked more often.

There are a huge number of people who are rather convinced that deaths among the elite are the only real long-term option. But at the same time, people are less insane and violent than I think. Weird! Especially given the huge number of personalized murders. People will kill someone they know, but are much less likely to kill someone they think is oppressing them

 

[Narz]

If I was rich & powerful I'd live in a fortress. I'd make setting it up my main hobby. I'd hire navy seals to try & come @ me to find holes in my defenses.

 

[9gkj548hkm20vk79dj689bnj4]

The Steve Scalise shooting had me convinced years ago that our leaders probably are NOT as well protected as they would like to have us think.

But then again, such violence is so incredibly rare that we barely think about it anyway. compared to, say, housefires and car crashes.
Nothing much you can do except maybe reconsider your home security measures, cameras, dogs or some other noisemakers and warnings, "safe" rooms, etc.

 

[IglooDame]

If there's anyone stupid enough to break into my house starting with a hammer through a window, they'll be staring at the loud end of a pistol shortly after doing so.

 

[El_Machinae]

They can't use guns for self-defense, it wouldn't fly politically.
... not like being a serial drunk-driving hyper-millionaire who made his fortune trading in the capital markets while their partner was a multi-decade political leader in a system that privileged incumbents ...


edit: for the record, I think that this attack is a bad thing, but that it's also just a sign of bad things to come. The spread of the 'badness' between this and Kavanaugh getting attacked is too fine (though still significantly different) that I think that being okay with the one and not accepting this as something that will happen in such a climate is a bit wishful thinking. But if there's also a leftist push that's useful, I don't see how in the world Pelosi survives the chopping block.

 

[Angst]

Not saying it's his fault he got attacked

i mean ok, why are you so focused on his/their flaws then

this is awful because we're increasingly seeing of right wingers assaulting political opponents. jan 6 was not a one time thing

they're doing that specifically because of the... tone you invoked in your op

i understand from the op where you're coming from, you understand this is a bad thing, but you're rhetorically reproducing the legitimacy of the assault at the same time

that's why people go "narz, uh, wat" and beyond

 

[Farm Boy]

We should treat congress critters with more deference. Thier baseball games get shot up by whackadoodledoos dontchaknow?

 

[amadeus]

435 voting members of Congress with the possibility of them getting the boot every two years. How much should we put towards fortifying their homes—and how likely is it they’ll be targeted by some nutcase?

We can’t expect all of them to live like Cononel Khada… Gadda… Qua… Stalin.

 

[Geffalrus]

Nobody is blaming him (altho he's not a very sympathic character). Just surprised @ his lack of defense.

Nancy Pelosi has professional security as she is an important member of congress and currently in the line of succession in a crisis. That security, however, goes with - her - and she was out of town. For rich liberals any "lack of security" will probably change in coming days/months/years, as the far right in our country are showing themselves to be increasingly violent in their pursuit of political ends. And thanks to our stupid laws that prioritize the rights of guns over the rights of people, every far right wackjob can load themselves up with guns and go on a spree. So it will only become more and more common.

 

[Lexicus]

Is it really whats important about an elderly man being attacked in his home by a politically motivated conspiracy theorist?

No, but posting "wow I condemn this horrific violent attack" doesn't seem like a good use of my time.

You want to stop this kind of thing from happening, the solution is to free the migrants and fill those prison camps with Qanon lunatics.

 

[Farm Boy]

You probably still should. Pelosi is almost certainly a terrible man, but this isn't the place for it anymore than crowing at Thatchers funeral because of her politics is. It gets interpreted rightly or wrongly that you want this stuff to happen to people like them. Which, unless you're actually a "lunatic that should be locked up" like naked hammer man, isn't the goal.

That said, we should still probably be more upset about Dahmer being sodomized to death in prison. That was entirely on "our" watch.

 

[Lexicus]

anymore than crowing at Thatchers funeral because of her politics is.

I already said that I pity him over the drunk driving stuff. That's not something you do at his age without a drinking problem, in my judgment.

That said, we should still probably be more upset about danger Dahmer being sodomized to death in prison. That was entirely on "our" watch

What an odd thing to bring up unprompted...I kind of agree with you, but I also don't mourn Dahmer any more than plenty of other inmate mudrder victims, and I think there's reason to mourn him less than most.

this isn't the place for it anymore than crowing at Thatchers funeral because of her politics is.

I will have to beg to differ on this one.

 

[Farm Boy]

That's hammerman hopeful behavior, though. Somebody eggs the crazy on, and just as much they're antagonized. This isn't antagonizing people by being anything, like a different ethnicity or class or orientation or identity, its wishing or delighting in ill due to common characteristics.

 

[Lexicus]

That's hammerman hopeful behavior, though. Somebody eggs the crazy on, and just as much they're antagonized. This isn't antagonizing people by being anything, like a different ethnicity or class or orientation or identity, its wishing or delighting in ill due to common characteristics.

Whereas a Thatcher does ill, on a vaster scale than most can aspire to. We're not all Jesus; at a certain point striking back is warranted.

 

[Farm Boy]

Remind me to keep my tools and my underdrawers separate since I also am not a saint. Mr Pelosi stands a solid chance, along with his wife, of causing more harm than Dahmer.

 

[Lexicus]

Remind me to keep my tools and my underdrawers separate since I also am not a saint. Mr Pelosi stands a solid chance, along with his wife, of causing more harm than Dahmer.

Dahmer killed, what, sixteen people? How many people do you think the Pelosis have killed?

 

[Farm Boy]

Hard to compare, which is why I'm not sure. I'm guessing on the measurement you're asking, the Ukrainian military aid, right or wrong, has killed how many?

On a different axis of death, she is pro choice. Just to pick a couple that have delicious disagreement on them. Because, why not? Was hammerman in it for the kids?

 

[Lexicus]

Hard to compare, which is why I'm not sure. I'm guessing on the measurement you're asking, the Ukrainian military aid, right or wrong, has killed how many?

I don't think that facilitating the deaths of soldiers in a defensive war is at all comparable to murdering and eating innocent people.

 

[Farm Boy]

Darn, edited slow. Creating and destroying them, then.

Is death the only type of harm though? I didn't use body count in the first post for a reason. Venture capitalists and whatnot. White collar stuff is hard to quantify, which is why there are more methheads in jail than accountants.