Persia in Civ 5 is not politcally correct

[Dachs]

Civ5 was the broadest use of Celtic. Every other game seemed to be continental Celts that fought Rome.

Um, you do remember that one of the Civ 4 Celtic leaderheads was Boudicca, right?

 

[Traitorfish]

That's still only straying, what, a hundred miles North? And while she wasn't Gaulish (iirc the Romans didn't even consider Britons to be "Celts"), it's still within this pretty narrow pre-/early Roman band.

 

[Flying Pig]

If the Welsh, Scottish and Irish can be considered 'Celtic' nations, then Boudicca definitely counts. Although I did think it odd to consider the Celts to be one political entity, but Germany and the HRE (which I think comes to represent Austria later on) to be separate.

 

[Dachs]

That's still only straying, what, a hundred miles North? And while she wasn't Gaulish (iirc the Romans didn't even consider Britons to be "Celts"), it's still within this pretty narrow pre-/early Roman band.

dev for celtic leaderhead 2014

 

[Traitorfish]

That I would like to see.

 

[Kyriakos]

Scotland should be in civ games. Such mountains, much freedom

 

[Louis XXIV]

Um, you do remember that one of the Civ 4 Celtic leaderheads was Boudicca, right?

Yeah. I thought about adding that caveat, but she was still a second last added after Brennus. My point was more the vs Rome thing anyway.

 

[ParkCungHee]

"The Celts" was always a funny civ. They use a name which is very broad, geographically and historically, but then the Civ itself seems to be based almost entirely on Gaul and Souther Britain in the pre-Roman or early Roman period. The unique units and buildings in Civ 4 & 5 seemed to be more Scottish-y in theme, and apparently Civ 5 uses more later, Insular city-names, but that just makes it more confusing. Really, it would make a lot more sense if they'd just settle for either a Gaulish civ or a Gaelic civ, even if they keep calling it "Celts" for the audience's sake, because then at least we'd know what they were doing.

Brythonic Civ is right out, eh?

 

[classical_hero]

And here I was thinking that 300 was an accurate depiction of Persians.

The thing is that nations change over time and for a computer game to be truly realistic is rather hopeful, since you can only do so much before the game becomes non existent.

 

[Traitorfish]

Brythonic Civ is right out, eh?

It'd make a damn sight more sense than Venice or the Huns, but I can't really see it. Mebbes a "Celtic" civ that was just generally Insular? Although even then I get the feeling it would end up as "Gaelic + token Welsh cities".

Not that I wouldn't like seeing Lloyd George and Dev squaring off in Civ, mind you.

 

[History_Buff]

And here I was thinking that 300 was an accurate depiction of Persians.

300 wasn't an accurate depiction of anything.

 

[Traitorfish]

I dunno, I think it's demonstration of why rhinos would make a really stupid weapon was pretty much on point.

 

[Pangur Bán]

I think had to do with the guy providing the data back then. It was some Dutch guy who thought insular Celts weren't 'real Celts', and refused to acknowledge that the Celtic-languages of the British Isles were even related to continental Celtic. I presume they stopped relying on that guy.

 

[W|M]

I dunno, I think it's demonstration of why rhinos would make a really stupid weapon was pretty much on point.

Yeah, but that's still true, so there still isn't an accurate depiction of something that actually happened

 

[Flying Pig]

Not that I wouldn't like seeing Lloyd George and Dev squaring off in Civ, mind you.

Wouldn't Lloyd George be on the Celtic side, though, boyo?

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm imaging him as a Brythonic leaderhead, up against de Valera as per Dachs' suggestion for a Gaelic leaderhead.

(Anecdotally, when de Valera and Lloyd George met for the negotiation of the Anglo-Irish treaty, de Valera started off with a proclamation of Irish independence, read out in his clumsy, rote-learned Irish. Lloyd George followed on a printed English translation, and then turned to his secretary, another Welshman, and discussed it at some length in their native tongue. Dev was not terribly amused by this.)

 

[caketastydelish]

OP should read 'celts in civilization is not politically correct'.

 

[Traitorfish]

The Celts in Civ are fine, politically, just kinda dumb. Not like there's actually any such place as "Celt-land", even if a few modern countries are occasionally, romantically, semi-arbitrarily, identified as "Celtic".

 

[ParkCungHee]

Not that I wouldn't like seeing Lloyd George and Dev squaring off in Civ, mind you.

"Oh look at that. The first Civ game where both Factions lost."

 

[Pangur Bán]

I'm imaging him as a Brythonic leaderhead, up against de Valera as per Dachs' suggestion for a Gaelic leaderhead.

(Anecdotally, when de Valera and Lloyd George met for the negotiation of the Anglo-Irish treaty, de Valera started off with a proclamation of Irish independence, read out in his clumsy, rote-learned Irish. Lloyd George followed on a printed English translation, and then turned to his secretary, another Welshman, and discussed it at some length in their native tongue. Dev was not terribly amused by this.)

That's a funny anecdote. Do you have a source?

The Celts in Civ are fine, politically, just kinda dumb. Not like there's actually any such place as "Celt-land", even if a few modern countries are occasionally, romantically, semi-arbitrarily, identified as "Celtic".

Romanticism is the worst thing that happened to Celticness. It is to Celtic identity what the Russian Empire was to Slavic identity ... temporarily gave it power, but actually destroyed it.

BTW, though the language(s) is on the point of death, Scotland -- which still exists as a detachable sub-unit of the UK--is genuinely an anglified Celtic state. In diachronic terms it is the same polity as the Verturiones who lived north of the Caledonians and fought the Romans. The sheriff-officer is a descendant of the maer, the High Court of the Justiciary is from the court of the magnus iudex in Scotia, High 'Brehon' of Scotland, etc. Admittedly, on the same logic, Russia is the oldest Scandinavian state... but the point is that Celticness could have been construed as something other than a feminine, wild and emotional counter-part to the hard-headed Teutonic rationality that made the 'British Empire great'.