Personalities in xpack

[Nordiska]

All this talk about this and that civ needs to be included in an expansion pack has me thinking. I would also like to see in the xpack some more personalities for the existing civilizations. I know we have mods, but how about some official personality additions. For example Spain and Egypt should have an alternative leader, heck most if not all civs should have a least two possible leaders.


Some ideas:

Egypt: Ramses
England :Oliver Cromwell
America : Abe Lincoln


more variety=more replayablility.....of course there already is plenty of that, but more is usually better

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

Tupac Amaru II - Inca

Charlemagne - Germany

 

[Willem]

...heck most if not all civs should have a least two possible leaders.

If you look at the leader selection page, you'll notice they've included a slider which isn't necessary at this point in time. Especially since there's already room for 4 or 5 pictures there. So I'm sure we can expect to see many more leaders in upcoming expansions.

 

[Barak]

Charlemagne - Germany

Charlemagne was Frankish and later a Holy Roman Emperor, so he could be either French OR German.

I also think there needs to be another Roman leader. Perhaps Caesar Augustus or Marcus Aurelius

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

Charlemagne was Frankish and later a Holy Roman Emperor, so he could be either French OR German.

I also think there needs to be another Roman leader. Perhaps Caesar Augustus or Marcus Aurelius

I think Charlemagne's heritage was Germanic and present day Germany was a large part of the Holy Roman empire.

 

[Willem]

I think Charlemagne's heritage was Germanic and present day Germany was a large part of the Holy Roman empire.

Charlemagne was definitely a Frank. Now whether the Franks were a Germanic people is a different story, and one I don't have a clue about.

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

Charlemagne was definitely a Frank. Now whether the Franks were a Germanic people is a different story, and one I don't have a clue about.

The Franks were a Germanic people. I chose Germany as his Civ becuase he was Germanic/French but edged Germany becuase what we know as Germany was a large part of the Holy Roman Empire.

 

[Barruk]

Charlemagne=Franks=France=French. If you're being that picky, George Washington should be a British leader, not an American one!

Here's my wishlist for leaders:

Rome: Trajan
Greece: Pericles
Persia: Artaxerxes
Arabia: Houron Al-Rasheed
Japan: Meiji
Celts and Babylonians! I can't believe they left them out of the original list. They were two of my favorites Civs in the previous games.

I can't think of any good secondary leaders for the Aztecs, Incas, Spanish, Malinese. Maybe someone who knows more about the hisotry of these cultures than I do can help me out....

 

[Reignking]

And the name Charlemagne is French, is it not?

 

[Desert-Fox]

Spanish : Franco

 

[Cdrommel]

We definitely need new leaders for the civs with single "extreme" leaders, for example the Aztecs and their stark-raving mad Montezuma could use a more agreeable leader, and the Spanish with "holier than thou" Isabella need maybe Franco or El Cid. Also, the Inca could have Atahualpa, the Egyptians could have Ramses, and as many have said the Romans need SOMEBODY else. Would be interesting to play against Caligula or another crazy Roman. I wonder if leader AI could be programed to be genuinely insane...

 

[DaLuni]

Sulla should be the Roman alternative

(no, I didn't mean that seriously)

 

[Nordiska]

Mali leader could be Asika Mohammad I, he was the leader during its 'peak' in the late 1400's and early 1500's.


I know leaders are random but it seems every game I play Mali is in (I play single player)

 

[Brighteye]

Rather than Franco for Spain, how about their current King?

The designers probably left Charlemagne out specifically because the French and Germans would argue over him. As I recall, at the time there wasn't really much in the way of France or Germany, and he led the Franks to conquer both, and then split his empire between his three sons, which was foolish, as they then went to war with each other and messed it all up again.
The Germans call Charlemagne Carlos der Grosse or something like that, and in Latin it's Carlus Magnus or something like that, so going by the name we happen to use just shows who the English have been more influenced by.

 

[Barruk]

I was thinking of Franco for Spain, but he's pretty contentious. El-Cid is another good possibility (Agressive, Expansionist) but I don't think he was acutally ever King of Spain, just a good leader.

For everyone who had no clue who the Arab guy I mentioned was, the more common spelling of his name is Harun al-Rashid. Here's a great link explaining who he was, he was the wealthiest of the mideval Arabian Caliphs and would probably be Creative, Financial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_al-Rashid

BTW - Can extra leaders be modded into existing (default) civs?

As far as Rome goes, the opposite of Julius Caesar would have to be Marcus Aerilius. I dislike him personally though because he was such a wuss and made some really stupid mistakes that eventually cost Rome the empire. Augustus is the obvious choice, but he's already at the top of the HOF screen. I picked Trajan as a good alternative, he was a wildly successfull emporor who built a lasting legacy.

 

[ChrTh]

Sulla should be the Roman alternative

(no, I didn't mean that seriously)

Sulla's actually a good choice.

 

[Palantir30]

Charlemagne=Franks=France=French.

Good try, but the French and Germans are both Germanic....

As are most Italians....English, and Spanish. Read your history.

You have to look to the edges of the European continent to find peoples who arent Germanic. Only to the South of Italy did the Lombards not colonize. Spain was invaded and assimilated violently by Vandals and others. Only on the south and west coasts were significant populations left in place. In England, the Brittons and other celtic peoples were long ago pushed north and west into Wales by the Saxons. The 'French' Celts likewise were pushed
west and south by the Franks and others.

in a general sense, practically everyone west of the Caspian Sea in Europe is likely to be descended from the Germanic Tribes that migrated to Europe between 300AD to 900 AD.

And the etymology of the name Charlemagne is more Latin than French, and that would make sense to people who knew the political leanings and policies of the King in question.

 

[mitsho]

No Charlemagne/Karl der Grosse, it's simply not worth it.

I want the obvious ones:
Pericles for Greece
Ramesses II for Egypt

I want also
Trajan/Hadrian/Scipio/Marius or any other non-Augustus (as in Octavian) for Rome.
Shapur II. for Persia (no second achaemenid king please)
Philip II. of Spain (How could've nobody thought of him?)

That's enough for new leaders, actually it is way too much, as we also need new civs

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[Eternalsteelfan]

I'll take a chance and say Adolf Hitler and Iosef Stalin and/or Vladimir Ilyich Lenin should be in the game. Of course they are shrouded in controversy but they are among the most prominant figures in modern history ( yes Hitler and Stalin are responsible for millions upon millions of deaths but so are Zedong and Genghis Khan and they are featured in the game.)

 

[Palantir30]

I'll take a chance and say Adolf Hitler and Iosef Stalin and/or Vladimir Ilyich Lenin should be in the game. Of course they are shrouded in controversy but they are among the most prominant figures in modern history ( yes Hitler and Stalin are responsible for millions upon millions of deaths but so are Zedong and Genghis Khan and they are featured in the game.)

Heh. And so ends the productive portion of the thread, lol.