berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
The whip is our only salvation here.
Please save us from this travesty, O Grey One Master of the
Please save us from this travesty, O Grey One Master of the
PH09: The King and We
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
When 2 turns takes an hour or so, you could hardly expect me to play anything more than 10 turns.
Played 2 turns, our stack got wipe out in the extremely long IBT.
I will see what I can do to survive the onslaught.
Played 2 turns, our stack got wipe out in the extremely long IBT.
I will see what I can do to survive the onslaught.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I hope nobody mind terribly that I take a while longer to play. Expect to play only 5~8 turns ... I am now at turn #4 
That's what happens when one turn takes half an hour or so.
That's what happens when one turn takes half an hour or so.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
keep on plugging away ~
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Okay, as I was saying, the first 3-4 turns took 2 hours to play, and the remaining turns went blazingly fast by comparison such that I played a total of 15.
Our stack that was returning home was wiped out, leaving Reading dangerously close to the German stacks, and it had a whopping garrison of ONE brave defender -- longbow. A few whips and the situation improved, one thing was because Bismarck seemed lethargic in his war efforts. He was sending lone units in ... perhaps he wanted peace.
And this might helped him a bit ...
Oooo .... [pray]
Meanwhile, I gun-downed an airship.
Leaving an air unit unescorted in a fort? Improved AI? My foot!
The votes are in .... very interesting. No doubt history and politics students should be able to write volumes of thesis out of it.
The votes actually surpass the requisite number for success, but it actually registered as failed.
More interestingly, the Master wanted peace, but his two dogs are going to defy it??? Hmm ... shouldn't the vassals listen to the master in matters of foreign affairs? So the result should be that peace is returned, but since the vassals defied the masters, they should be at war. The correct outcome should be we and bismarck are now at war with QSH and Sally! This game is obviously BUGGY and FLAWED!!!! WE NEED THE FUTURE OF TOMORROW EXPANSION!!!!
Anyway, this might be one reason why QSH defied:
So we are facing an enemy where his two lapdogs all boasted artilleries and cavs while we still have pikes and longbows. Boy, we are backward.
Fortunately, there is another way to force peace where QSH and Sally can't defy.
Yeah, it is costly. That city has lots of towns, but chances are we are going to lose it (and a few others along with it) anyway should the war be prolonged by a couple of turns more.
Thereafter is a series of build ups. Two events of notice:
Yeah, right, hammer a man when he is down! What a character you have, Spirits of Random Events!!!
Grrrr...
This one was interesting. One of the more creative random events, I would say. Might be useful in a cultural win gambit.
Anyway, here we are:
How to win this? I don't know, we are very backwards.
We should be able to out tech Ramses, Sally and QSH given time with our sheer numbers, but Bismarck?
Another alternative is to go the zerg approach and keep pumping troops. What we lack in quality we make up for it in quantity.
Tech wise, we got philosophy (which puzzled me. Why Philosophy????). I go for Biology, as that is a tech Ramses, who is the only one willing to trade with us, still doesn't have.
Our stack that was returning home was wiped out, leaving Reading dangerously close to the German stacks, and it had a whopping garrison of ONE brave defender -- longbow. A few whips and the situation improved, one thing was because Bismarck seemed lethargic in his war efforts. He was sending lone units in ... perhaps he wanted peace.
And this might helped him a bit ...
Oooo .... [pray]
Meanwhile, I gun-downed an airship.
Leaving an air unit unescorted in a fort? Improved AI? My foot!
The votes are in .... very interesting. No doubt history and politics students should be able to write volumes of thesis out of it.
The votes actually surpass the requisite number for success, but it actually registered as failed.
More interestingly, the Master wanted peace, but his two dogs are going to defy it??? Hmm ... shouldn't the vassals listen to the master in matters of foreign affairs? So the result should be that peace is returned, but since the vassals defied the masters, they should be at war. The correct outcome should be we and bismarck are now at war with QSH and Sally! This game is obviously BUGGY and FLAWED!!!! WE NEED THE FUTURE OF TOMORROW EXPANSION!!!!Anyway, this might be one reason why QSH defied:
So we are facing an enemy where his two lapdogs all boasted artilleries and cavs while we still have pikes and longbows. Boy, we are backward.
Fortunately, there is another way to force peace where QSH and Sally can't defy.
Yeah, it is costly. That city has lots of towns, but chances are we are going to lose it (and a few others along with it) anyway should the war be prolonged by a couple of turns more.
Thereafter is a series of build ups. Two events of notice:
Yeah, right, hammer a man when he is down! What a character you have, Spirits of Random Events!!!
Grrrr...
This one was interesting. One of the more creative random events, I would say. Might be useful in a cultural win gambit.
Anyway, here we are:
How to win this? I don't know, we are very backwards.
We should be able to out tech Ramses, Sally and QSH given time with our sheer numbers, but Bismarck?
Another alternative is to go the zerg approach and keep pumping troops. What we lack in quality we make up for it in quantity.
Tech wise, we got philosophy (which puzzled me. Why Philosophy????). I go for Biology, as that is a tech Ramses, who is the only one willing to trade with us, still doesn't have.
>>> The Save at 1895AD <<<
Crotazzo
Chieftain
got it.... but... what now? do i try to get commerce going (for some reason?) or shoud i whip an army?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I seriously don't know. Gut feel tells me we should focus on tech a bit first, then go all out military.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
tech to what military objective?? artillery and infantry? tanks??
then, once there, put the slider down to 0 for upgrades adn such, and then build/whip an army??
then, once there, put the slider down to 0 for upgrades adn such, and then build/whip an army??
GreyFox: Well done on stopping the war.
Pholkhero: I think that's the best plan. It's a long shot, but we may just be able to do it. The danger is we get to Artillery and infantry when Bismark gets to MechInfantry and advanced flight and just wipes out our stacks again.
I must admit, if this was my personl game, I'd probably have given up by now.
Pholkhero: I think that's the best plan. It's a long shot, but we may just be able to do it. The danger is we get to Artillery and infantry when Bismark gets to MechInfantry and advanced flight and just wipes out our stacks again.
I must admit, if this was my personl game, I'd probably have given up by now.
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
You're not the only one, Simon
I would've given up once I saw that start
I would've given up once I saw that start
Crotazzo
Chieftain
lads... i will have to play tomorrow... sorry for the delay. if anyone wants to slide a turnset in the middle u are more than welcome
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
I agree, but that's one of the best things about SGs ~ seeing if, w/the combined playing skills of others, you can get out of a hole and learn some new things. that start DID suck, though, and I must admit i was glad to be able to hand off that save ~ seeing those stacks of Biz's really took the wind out of my sails (as Agg AI stacks have a way of doingI must admit, if this was my personl game, I'd probably have given up by now.
)Let's beeline to Industrialism and Artillery, and give it another shot. If that fails, i say that we really do throw in the towel and knock over our king ~
No problem, crotazzo ~ don't know what ya'll are doing, but i'm still trying to do my xmas shopping for my wife and kids.
Crotazzo
Chieftain
well... after shopping for chrismas and playing football with some friends, i could finally sit down and play... but the game crashed 2 times in 4 turns (i seem to have incompatibilities with my video card, so it crashes once in a while in every singe 3d aplication i run from civ4 to autocad) Unfortunately that made me redo all my moves, so i will finish playing tomorrow.
The good news are, that after 10 turns of peace bismark didnt attack us, even though he has his stack ready at our borders.
The bad news are that he is like 80 votes away from a diplo victory
PD. anyone knows if i can make the game autosave every 2 turns instead of 4?
The good news are, that after 10 turns of peace bismark didnt attack us, even though he has his stack ready at our borders.
The bad news are that he is like 80 votes away from a diplo victory
PD. anyone knows if i can make the game autosave every 2 turns instead of 4?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
@Crotazzo: change the line in your civilizationIV.ini file in your BTS folder in "My Documents". Mine reads:
Code:
...
; Specify the number of turns between autoSaves. 0 means no autosave.
AutoSaveInterval = 1
...pholkhero
Deviant Mind
that's fine crotazzo.
also, there's a line after what fox posted where you can specify how many autosaves to keep in the directory.
also, there's a line after what fox posted where you can specify how many autosaves to keep in the directory.
Ignore this, wrong thread.
BTW, you're really drawing out the loss here!
BTW, you're really drawing out the loss here!
Crotazzo
Chieftain
Finally played!... sorry for the delay.
After the 2 system crashes, the game really went smoothly. I think that bismark is trying to build up some population to win this by diplomacy.
The first thing i did is changing our economy civic to mercantilism. Then micromanaged cities trying to specialize them a little. London is trying to become a gp farm.
I also put some workers to sleep when i didnt know what to do with them.
Apostolic palace election:
Traded biology with rammy. I set research to phisics and then rocketry(i think) to get artillery.
And i noticed that he is still our pal, so i asked for a defensive, and he gave the OK!
I had nothing better to do so, i gave a little help to churchill. No diplomacy modifiers though.
By the way. Bismark was willing to pay 32 GPT for our extra coal (we have 2), he doesnt have any now. But he does have coal in his lands, but windmilled. I didnt make the trade just in case.
And finally... his stack!
(i think i played 15 turns, but im not sure)
Here is the save: View attachment PH09 AD-1910.CivBeyondSwordSave
Sorry for the delay ppl.
HAPPY HOLYDAYS TO ALL!
After the 2 system crashes, the game really went smoothly. I think that bismark is trying to build up some population to win this by diplomacy.
The first thing i did is changing our economy civic to mercantilism. Then micromanaged cities trying to specialize them a little. London is trying to become a gp farm.
I also put some workers to sleep when i didnt know what to do with them.
Apostolic palace election:
Traded biology with rammy. I set research to phisics and then rocketry(i think) to get artillery.
And i noticed that he is still our pal, so i asked for a defensive, and he gave the OK!
I had nothing better to do so, i gave a little help to churchill. No diplomacy modifiers though.
By the way. Bismark was willing to pay 32 GPT for our extra coal (we have 2), he doesnt have any now. But he does have coal in his lands, but windmilled. I didnt make the trade just in case.
And finally... his stack!
(i think i played 15 turns, but im not sure)
Here is the save: View attachment PH09 AD-1910.CivBeyondSwordSave
Sorry for the delay ppl.
HAPPY HOLYDAYS TO ALL!
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
does anyone else feel like we're walking to our own graveyards??
~ play as many as you feel ~
pholkhero
GreyFox
beserks01
Crotazzo >> just played
Simon_c >> UP NOW
Negyvenketto >> on deck
~ play as many as you feel ~
pholkhero
GreyFox
beserks01
Crotazzo >> just played
Simon_c >> UP NOW
Negyvenketto >> on deck
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
okay, way past the 24 hours here, so we'll skip simon for now. If you can post in the next day or so, we can just swap you and Negy and you'll be on deck then.
Or are we at the point were it may be best to just retire now?? It seems like a lot of people have lost their gumption for the game, and have no desire to play it, or am i projecting a little?
Or are we at the point were it may be best to just retire now?? It seems like a lot of people have lost their gumption for the game, and have no desire to play it, or am i projecting a little?
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
I don't think it's because we're losing the desire for the game.
I think it's the fact that it takes such a long time to play the turns that makes our being behind blaringly obviously, and THAT kinda kills the mood for this game .... get it
I think it's the fact that it takes such a long time to play the turns that makes our being behind blaringly obviously, and THAT kinda kills the mood for this game .... get it
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