Phaedo02- Rage_Against_The_Machine

[Elephantium]

I believe that saving the MGL for a rush build is the best bet - leaders may be fairly easy to come by, but let's face it - the next one we get may not be until we're fighting on the other continent.

 

[Phaedo]

You'll be following Buce Tusker. Any ideas of what you want to do?

 

[Bucephalus]

You'll be following Buce Tusker. Any ideas of what you want to do?

It will be incumbent on Tusker to get the best deal closing the war with the Dutch.

I played just one turn this AM - then RL disturbed me - but Willie will already give any two techs for peace.

I anticipate taking Den Haag (Haarlem has already fallen) and Groningen this set, leaving just Amsterdam in the East, unless there is something in the fog.

I'm not going to raze Dutch cities - we can always abandon later if we decide it desirable - but if we are going to move our core, The Hague and Amsterdam are probably OK where they are; dotmaps are in order once we are done with Willie.

Edit: I've picked this up again, and I'm suddenly facing horses - lots of them; I'm going to pause and re-evaluate my strategic options.

 

[SimpleMonkey]

lurker's comment: Willie has horses now!?!? Where did they come from? No matter, a sword attacking from high ground can turn a horse into dog food.

 

[Elephantium]

End the war with Willie, trade for techs, gouge every last gold piece from the citizens.

 

[Phaedo]

Maybe the horses were taking their time getting over??? He could have another source. It would make sense that there is more than just 1 on the continent. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that there is another Civ in the game on our side. I don't think writing makes possible trading contacts so we wouldn't know unless we met them right?

Are the horses from the east or south?

So much for an early Pax Nihon. Do you think this changes our MGL discussion?

 

[CommandoBob]

So much for an early Pax Nihon. Do you think this changes our MGL discussion?

Not right away. We can control where we stand and fight and we can force the Horses to attack us on our terms, like SimpleMonkey stated. They will soon stop coming. And we can move forward.

Now if they don't stop coming, then we may need the MGL for an Army. But not just yet and probably not in this turnset.

 

[Phaedo]

I wasn't really thinking a complete reversal, merely if it changes the context of our decision. we were assuming a short war and therefore a low change of another MGL. I'm not advocating a quick sword army or anything, but as the conditions under which we made the decision have changed, a quick re-think might be in order. We may come to the same conclusion but it seems things have changed. Let's see how long those horses last though.

 

[Phaedo]

Unfortunately Buce has had some very serious RL problems come up and will need to be skipped until further notice. He will post the save and the briefest of turn logs when he gets a chance but we're not sure when he will be back.
He apologizes for the inconvenience, but under the circumstances it is more than understandable.

 

[Bucephalus]

Thanks, Phaedo.

To be specific, my Father-in-Law has died; I will be back, but obviously Mrs Buce is going to need all my time in the short term.

Summary:

The Horse threat is neutralised - Tusker will face nothing worse than Spears and Archers.

I have added four new cities, only Amsterdam is left in the East.

We have three Curraghs on the move.

Although Willie will currently give MM, CoL, Philosophy, and Mathematics for a makeweight of 50g, I recommend taking Amsterdam to reduce any flip-risk on 'The Hague', and because it has the Colossus.

Note to Tusker: On DG, the capital will likely be defended by 6-7 Spears so take a big stack, and be prepared for casualties; I had perfect RNG, and didn't lose a single unit, so you have plenty of Swords to play with.

I've added a dot-map for discussion, in case it's not clear Groningen would need to be abandoned.

Willie and Brennus are in the MA's now, so if you rinse and repeat in 20 turns, you will probably get Republic.

There is a Settler in Kagoshima, waiting to be used.

Spoiler :

>>The Save<<

 

[Elephantium]

Got it. I'll play this weekend.

 

[CommandoBob]

Thanks, Phaedo.

To be specific, my Father-in-Law has died; I will be back, but obviously Mrs Buce is going to need all my time in the short term.

Take care of the Mrs.; we understand.

 

[Elephantium]

I want to pick up Math and Mysticism from the Celts or Hittites before making peace - once Willie loses his capital, I'm sure he'll gladly give all he has for peace.

Brennus wants 2gpt + 386 gold
Murray wants 2gpt+393 gold

Extrapolating from the individual costs, we can buy both techs outright from Brennus in 1-2 turns (for pretty much all our gold). Does this deal meet with the team's approval?

Edit: Both techs for 421 gold. Yes? No? I'll stop playing for tonight, waiting on the team's guidance.

 

[Phaedo]

Willie has Math and Myst right? Why not get them for free and then see what Murray and Brennus have for our gold. Willy will fall soon, once that happens we will need to see where we stand with the others. Having some coin in the bank could be very helpful to keep the tech trading going. See if you can get Utrech in the peace deal as well. If you have to give up a tech for it, that's fine. The price will just go down with time.

 

[CommandoBob]

I'd rather keep our cash and beat the living Math and Mysticism out of Willie.

Keeping an eye out for trades is always a good thing, but sometimes the best trade is no trade at all.

 

[Norton II]

Everyone's in the MA now, so maybe it would be better to buy math and myst, then extort poly, currency, construction. Since Willie's on the ropes, we can probably still get everything else from him. It's a gamble, but it might be one worth taking--at the very least, it could save us the trouble of buying more expensive techs.

@Bucephalus: My condolances to you and to Mrs. Buce.

 

[Elephantium]

My reasoning is this: Get Math any Myst from Brennus, then Willie will give us Currency, Construction, and Poly - and we can join him in the Middle Ages.

 

[SimpleMonkey]

lurker's comment: I agree with Norton and the Tusker's logic. If Willie is indeed about to be reduced to a one or two city tundra empire, then it makes sense to get the most advanced techs possible from him. Brennus and Murray won't trade for anything that Japan has now. With luck the dinkey boats will find someone ignorant enough to offer some decent MA trade-ups.

My condolences also to Buce's family.

 

[CommandoBob]

My reasoning is this: Get Math any Myst from Brennus, then Willie will give us Currency, Construction, and Poly - and we can join him in the Middle Ages.

Ah, now I see. Sounds good to me.

 

[SimpleMonkey]

lurker's comment: It may also be possible to set up a GPT deal with the Irish boy and then provoke him into a short war to get out of payment. Or is that too underhanded for this game? And does Brennus have iron? That would be bad.