Philosophy 101

[QES]

{Perceptions of Reality, and Sanity}
@Lostkitten Why's that? What is so greatly important about a lack of discomfort?
-Qes

 

[Chandrasekhar]

To answer that, you'd have to answer the question of what perception is. Is our individual happiness more important, or is the advancement of the species, as spurred by individual intellect and creativity more important?

 

[lostkitten13]

What's considered discomforting? in my definition it's something that I would probably love to lack.

 

[QES]

To answer that, you'd have to answer the question of what perception is. Is our individual happiness more important, or is the advancement of the species, as spurred by individual intellect and creativity more important?

That is the heart of the matter indeed. What do YOU see perception as? (I'm always going to ask your defintion first, because I've had training in these fields, and therefore am primiarily interested in your ideas first, before espoucing my own).

And where is true value- the fullfillment of the self, or the propegation of something less tangible, i.e. the species?
-Qes

 

[QES]

What's considered discomforting? in my definition it's something that I would probably love to lack.

Have you ever experianced something that is discomforting, but you know, and believe 100% is for your greater good?
-Qes

 

[skadistic]

Mmmmmmm fresh OT meat from another forum section!!!

Have you ever experianced something that is discomforting, but you know, and believe 100% is for your greater good?
-Qes

Any instance can have a good lessoned learned in it but that same lesson can be learned in another less discomferting way.

 

[lostkitten13]

this was a very stupid post...contuvre on, heh heh.

'sides if you want to read it, it's in one of QES's post.

 

[QES]

Mmmmmmm fresh OT meat from another forum section!!!




Any instance can have a good lessoned learned in it but that same lesson can be learned in another less discomferting way.

I disagree. Often there are times that the lesson is compounded, or made clear, directly by the application of discomfort. In fact, for the tendancie in humans to "gloss" over things we dislike, oft profound understanding may come from a clarity that discomfort, not comfort, brings.
-Qes

 

[Chandrasekhar]

That is the heart of the matter indeed. What do YOU see perception as? (I'm always going to ask your defintion first, because I've had training in these fields, and therefore am primiarily interested in your ideas first, before espoucing my own).

And where is true value- the fullfillment of the self, or the propegation of something less tangible, i.e. the species?
-Qes

Both of those are really tough to answer. I mean, on one hand I'd say that there's nothing special about the mass of self-replicating blobs of mass and ego that call themselves humanity, but on the other hand, I know that when I get pricked by a pin, I know it hurts, and I want it to stop. Perhaps the pain is an illusion, but with no information as to what exactly makes us different from rocks and space dust, I can't make much of a judgment.

As for where the true value is, that's perhaps a bit easier. The goal of humanity, and indeed of all life, is to propegate itself through the Cosmos. My personal goal is simply to reach a state of happiness and contentment. When I'm feeling selfish, I seek to satisfy my own goal. When I'm feeling generous, I seek to fulfill the goal of my species. Both aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, so there's not much conflict.

 

[QES]

oooh, okay...the abuse I've endured. I know someday it'll make me into somebody, be it wiser or less ignorant and arogant of everyday peoples' pain.
Mayhaps even stronger mentally. That by what has happened to me, I've learned to let go. Which to me seems like a hard lesson for someone my age to comprehend.

I am in NO way talking about the abuse you have endured. That is, for all intents and purposes, another subject. I was speaking more generally, not specifically.

And though you say you've let it go, you're by your own statements, only 13. That means, that in time, your brain will adjust those events into something wholey different. Abuse is NOT easily dismissed, nor is that sort of subjugated repetition in the brain. I'm asking a more philosophical, rather than psychological question.

Can you learn from discomfort? {Perceptions of Reality, and Sanity} not the Violence topic.
-Qes

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Have you ever experianced something that is discomforting, but you know, and believe 100% is for your greater good?
-Qes
oooh, okay...the abuse I've endured

I can go out on a limb and say that QES probably meant discomfort of a lower level, not being turned on by someone you should be able to trust. Though you can learn from that, indeed, you must so you don't pass it on, but that isn't the way the world is supposed to be. Toil is enobleing; torment is not.


by the way, QES:http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=060907. Looks like it's OO for you!

 

[QES]

Both of those are really tough to answer. I mean, on one hand I'd say that there's nothing special about the mass of self-replicating blobs of mass and ego that call themselves humanity, but on the other hand, I know that when I get pricked by a pin, I know it hurts, and I want it to stop. Perhaps the pain is an illusion, but with no information as to what exactly makes us different from rocks and space dust, I can't make much of a judgment.

Wow, were not going through the foreplay of existential dilema, good times. Ok - judgement is exactly what we're talking about. Your perceptions, via your judgements are made using what faculties? What tools do you have for determining your "reality"?

As for where the true value is, that's perhaps a bit easier. The goal of humanity, and indeed of all life, is to propegate itself through the Cosmos. My personal goal is simply to reach a state of happiness and contentment. When I'm feeling selfish, I seek to satisfy my own goal. When I'm feeling generous, I seek to fulfill the goal of my species. Both aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, so there's not much conflict.

Easy huh? I've two very imoprtant questions to your suppositions.
Why is your goal to reach a state of happiness and contentment?
and
Why is life's goal to propegate itself through the Cosmos?

What value is there in the infanite? What value is there in the finite?
-Qes

 

[QES]

by the way, QES:http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=060907. Looks like it's OO for you!

Ya, I read that comic, good times.
That is a common responce too
-Qes

 

[lostkitten13]

I am in NO way talking about the abuse you have endured. That is, for all intents and purposes, another subject. I was speaking more generally, not specifically.

And though you say you've let it go, you're by your own statements, only 13. That means, that in time, your brain will adjust those events into something wholey different. Abuse is NOT easily dismissed, nor is that sort of subjugated repetition in the brain. I'm asking a more philosophical, rather than psychological question.

Can you learn from discomfort? {Perceptions of Reality, and Sanity} not the Violence topic.
-Qes

I don't know, Stupid me. If I have I would've right? the discomfort of me posting something stupid is rather enlightening. Means I can learn from that, because of what I think myself being whatever I think I am can make me strive to not be that. Whatever, I'm drowsy...goodnight folks, drowsy signing off.

 

[QES]

I don't know, Stupid me. If I have I would've right? the discomfort of me posting something stupid is rather enlightening. Means I can learn from that, because of what I think myself being whatever I think I am can make me strive to not be that. Whatever, I'm drowsy...goodnight folks, drowsy signing off.

No one is stupid, while posting on this thread. With the possible exception of me - For making it.

Be well, and sleep well,
-Qes

 

[lostkitten13]

one last thingy, why are you bunnies sooo darn smart for! I wish I was, nighty night furballs.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Wow, were not going through the foreplay of existential dilema, good times. Ok - judgement is exactly what we're talking about. Your perceptions, via your judgements are made using what faculties? What tools do you have for determining your "reality"?

Well, you might have to define the line between a person and their tools for determining their reality for that question to have more meaning, but I'd say that my senses and my ability to think would be my tools for that job.

Easy huh? I've two very imoprtant questions to your suppositions.
Why is your goal to reach a state of happiness and contentment?
and
Why is life's goal to propegate itself through the Cosmos?

What value is there in the infanite? What value is there in the finite?
-Qes

Easier I said. I wish to reach a state of happiness and contentment because my own feelings are the only ones that I feel. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in calling life's propegation a goal, but it is certainly what it is designed to do, and certainly that is what it does. I know (read: think) that life as a whole has no central consciousness, but millenia of evolution have ensured that the propegation of the species and the fulfillment of individual happiness have coincided, and so that is the direction that life as a whole takes. I feel that I'm not describing this as effectively as I could, but I can't be the only person out there that has these views.

 

[QES]

Well, you might have to define the line between a person and their tools for determining their reality for that question to have more meaning, but I'd say that my senses and my ability to think would be my tools for that job.

Indeed, what seperates the person from the peices from form, flesh, and factulty of that person?

Easier I said. I wish to reach a state of happiness and contentment because my own feelings are the only ones that I feel. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in calling life's propegation a goal, but it is certainly what it is designed to do, and certainly that is what it does. I know (read: think) that life as a whole has no central consciousness, but millenia of evolution have ensured that the propegation of the species and the fulfillment of individual happiness have coincided, and so that is the direction that life as a whole takes. I feel that I'm not describing this as effectively as I could, but I can't be the only person out there that has these views.

You are still fundamentally avoiding the "why's" by answering the "How's". Designed, either by happenstance, science, or god, fine. But WHY is it designed at all?

And on the no universal conciousness, what convinces you of this?
-Qes

 

[Endovior]

Wow, were not going through the foreplay of existential dilema, good times. Ok - judgement is exactly what we're talking about. Your perceptions, via your judgements are made using what faculties? What tools do you have for determining your "reality"?

I have my five senses and my power of reason, which allows me to enhance my senses and refine the information which they gather. As these are all the tools I have at my disposal, I must deem them sufficient to the task of determining reality, or work towards creating better ones. To deem that they are insufficient is to deny existence; which is fruitless, as no evidence which can be gathered supports such denial, and such denial only serves to destroy the foundation for all known life.

Therefore, I define existence as that which I can perceive and reason out.

 

[CartesianFart]

Can tautological subjectivism coincide with realism?