What is going on in the UK?

[Senethro]

No body in this thread is arguing for stopping all immigration, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Its sort of like Brexit in that regard. Only the crazies know what they want, and thats why they'll get their way. The supposed moderates get eroded by repeated failure and concede to their hardline "allies".

More likely than not, we'll see it all across the continent of Europe in the next two years. The centre Right will cross the red line to work with the Far Right and behave as if thats normal and reasonable. The a few years later I imagine there will be a mix of outright collapses from dysfunctional coalitions, or the centre Right ~*Mysteriously*~ adopting more extreme positions as if their failure are just from not going hard enough.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The supposed moderates get eroded by repeated failure

The thing is I am not convinced that the so called moderates are even trying to deal with many of the problems.

Those not in denial that there are problems are merely talking about dealing with them without planning to do much.

 

[NovaKart]

I know probably over a dozen people who went to the UK to claim asylum. I knew them in their home country and none of them were in danger there. One of them was telling me how he planned to travel home once he got permission to stay in UK, another I saw on FB that it looked like he had traveled home to visit.

Shabana Mahmoud made a good point how they want to still have an asylum system left in the end. It’s the real refugees who suffer from an overburdened system and an increasingly angry public who are tired of being scammed.

 

[Clubber Lang]

Free Digital I.D. cards scheme to cost 1.8 billion pounds (Maybe much more in the future).

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E.V. and Hybrid vehicles to pay-per-mile, how will that be tracked?

How will mileage be tracked and audited?​

One of the biggest criticisms of road pricing to date has been how it will be enforced, with major concerns raised that it will require Big Brother-style black boxes that monitor every movement of the nation's motorists.
But Ms Reeves plans to quell those concerns with a less invasive system.
She instead will ask EV drivers to estimate their annual mileage and pay a fee based on that prediction.
If the motorist doesn't drive as far as estimated, the remaining money will be carried over to cover the subsequent year's mileage.
However, if they drive further than originally estimated, they would be required to top up their payment to the Government.
How mileages will be monitored and audited remains one of the major questions the nation's drivers - and shadow MPs - will have. And it too could trigger a rise in one particular type of fraud that's already prevalent in Britain... which we will come to later.

Sounds like eventually every car/vehicle (petrol and diesel cars sales ban from 2030) in the U.K. will be fitted a with a tracking, recording and monitoring device/tech.
Knowing the mob in charge, it will not just be resticted for pay-per-mile.

I guess some other PPM system to be implented for non-U.K. vehicles or at some point they too will be fitted with a spy box/device on entry to the nations roads.

 

[danjuno]

No body in this thread is arguing for stopping all immigration, so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Ord did the reverse first, do you also disagree with his assertion?

Any pushback is being dismissed as "racism" as if the conversation is over after that.
Its an easy way to just "lalalalalala, I cant hear you".

Immigration is one of many economic factors, so if you hyper-focus on it people are going to wonder why.

But the people jumping on this virtue bandwagon dont realize they are taken for a ride. Politicians make rich megadeals for these people and they and their friends get filthy rich.
Over the back of the indegenous people of the area and their safety.
And the media joins by happily labeling them as "far right" etc etc etc. and by parotting the lies, so they can get a share of the bag.

The Media makes big bucks hyping up "immigrant crime" hysteria, and Manufacturing/Service sectors are increasingly relying on automation to replace native workers rather than underpaying immigrants.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Ord did the reverse first, do you also disagree with his assertion?

I am really not sure what you are talking about.

 

[EnglishEdward]

E.V. and Hybrid vehicles to pay-per-mile, how will that be tracked?

Sounds like eventually every car/vehicle (petrol and diesel cars sales ban from 2030) in the U.K. will be fitted a with a tracking, recording and monitoring device/tech.
Knowing the mob in charge, it will not just be restricted for pay-per-mile.

Quite so. The government is assuming its role is to control its citizens.

 

[danjuno]

I am really not sure what you are talking about.

this false idea that welcoming all immigrants is somehow not going to deteriorate the lot of the poorest is pure racist delusion against natives

 

[EnglishEdward]

I agree with Ordnael that that false idea is a delusion.

In my opinion whether it is a racist delusion depends upon the motivation of the individual who holds it.

 

[danjuno]

I agree with Ordnael that that false idea is a delusion.

In my opinion whether it is a racist delusion depends upon the motivation of the individual who holds it.

He was responding to Cloud, do you believe this is an accurate representation of her views?

 

[EnglishEdward]

This is all rather indirect and recursive and running away from the topic thread.

Furthermore it is for Cloud to state what her views are, not for me to speak on her behalf.

 

[danjuno]

This is all rather indirect and recursive and running away from the topic thread.

Furthermore it is for Cloud to state what her views are, not for me to speak on her behalf.

I am more than happy to do so if you will do the same for Ord.

 

[EnglishEdward]

do what?