Piracy at Poor Country

[Truronian]

if you cant afford, it you cant buy it. if you get a pirated version normally it would hurt the company by not buying their one, but if you couldnt afford that one theres no harm done.

If you can't afford it, then you should go and earn some extra money so that you can. The question remains, why should pirates get a game for free while I have to work 6 hours to pay for it?

 

[Panzeh]

Theft implies a loss of something tangible. The only thing you steal is money that you might have given them.

 

[Dionysius]

If you can't afford it, then you should go and earn some extra money so that you can. The question remains, why should pirates get a game for free while I have to work 6 hours to pay for it?

precisely. just download the damn thing and you wont have to work 6 hours.
hurrah for Bitlord!

 

[Truronian]

precisely. just download the damn thing and you wont have to work 6 hours.
hurrah for Bitlord!

And if everyone does that there will be no game to download.

 

[Gladi]

And if everyone does that there will be no game to download.

And that is how market works \shrug

Or maybe there will be more shareware and paying for games may be seen more as patronage for arts than buying a product.

What you want and what you can afford are two entirely different things. I'd love to be able to eat out at a fancy Italian restaurant every night - but I can't afford it.. so I don't do it.

If I could walk into their kitchen and "magically" duplicate their food I would be happier too. Of course it is not magically, and it is not a simple theft as you yourself are saying.

 

[warpus]

If I could walk into their kitchen and "magically" duplicate their food I would be happier too. Of course it is not magically, and it is not a simple theft as you yourself are saying.

I am not saying it's theft - haven't you been reading my posts?

Why do you think you should have the right to illegally infringe a copyright just because you want access to a luxury you can't afford?

 

[Gladi]

I am not saying it's theft - haven't you been reading my posts?

Why do you think you should have the right to illegally infringe a copyright just because you want access to a luxury you can't afford?

Did I say that? And you just talked about Italian restaurant.

Okay, maybe because one day I will work and have money to spend? And I will already know how good your games are? I got to Civ through copy of old Civ I, pirated copy, and has since bought Civ II, Civ III plus both datadisks and CIV, not so bad bargain is it? Same with Sims, Settlers (though I stopped after abysmal IV), Realms of Arkania (and two years ago I actually bought even that ooold Blade of Destiny), and by not buying I am not diminishing their sales?

Oh, good night gotta go.

 

[BirraImperial]

Piracy is illegal. Period. End. Of. Story.

Quoted for Truth.

I live in a poor country too, and I dont download games off the Internet. Being poor is no justification for stealing.

 

[mdwh]

Stealing is stealing.

And copyright infringement is copyright infringement. The relevance to this issue is...?

To all the pirates out there: THANK YOU for making the games I PLAY more expensive. You have just robbed EVERYONE else who paid for the game.

Difficult to prove - this can't be the case if they weren't going to buy it anyway. I'm not saying that makes it right - but it does mean you can't claim that.

And I DO agree with the analogy: Pirating software is no different than stealing a BMW.

If you can copy my BMW whilst leaving mine in place, you're welcome to it.

I'm not casting an opinion on the original post here - but equating it to theft is simply wrong, and strikes me as ridiculous that people insist on doing this. If copyright infringement is so clearly wrong, why do we need to compare it to another crime? Shouldn't you be able to explain why it's wrong without bringing in concepts which don't apply here?

 

[Gladi]

Good morning all
Same as always, just as I log off I remember my argument.

Victimless crimes. I cannot speak for all piracy but if one cannot afford games and pirate them how is anybody hurt?

 

[MobBoss]

Theft implies a loss of something tangible. The only thing you steal is money that you might have given them.

What? Stealing money isnt theft?

If all you silly pirates out there bought your games legally, the price wouldnt be $50.00. It would probably be half that. So, in essence, I am a victim of your crime, since I have to pay more to buy the game legally since your actions drove the company to increase prices to ensure profit despite piracy.

 

[bhsup]

It's not essential or necessary to living, so if you can't afford it, don't buy it.

 

[Gladi]

What? Stealing money isnt theft?

If all you silly pirates out there bought your games legally, the price wouldnt be $50.00. It would probably be half that.

Maybe we would not buy it anyway?

 

[MobBoss]

Maybe we would not buy it anyway?

There are a lot of games I dont buy. That doesnt mean I think I should go steal them then. To me, if its not worth buying, then why in the hell would it be worth the risk of stealing it?

 

[Gladi]

There are a lot of games I dont buy. That doesnt mean I think I should go steal them then. To me, if its not worth buying, then why in the hell would it be worth the risk of stealing it?

I did not spoke only of worth buying (and congrats on your prescience), but that we cannot affoer it? There is game I am terribly sad I did not pirate, I was content with demo and waited till I saved enough money- and by the time I had money the game was goner (Birtright: The Gorgon's Alliance)

 

[MobBoss]

I did not spoke only of worth buying (and congrats on your prescience), but that we cannot affoer it? There is game I am terribly sad I did not pirate, I was content with demo and waited till I saved enough money- and by the time I had money the game was goner (Birtright: The Gorgon's Alliance)

What do you mean "goner"? You can buy older games at a greatly discounted price. Hell, if you find a good bundle of games on ebay, you can buy a great many games for a fraction of their original cost.

I hardly EVER buy a game on release. I have seen too many games out of the chute be so bad as to not even be playable. Waiting a few weeks never hurt anyone....besides..thats just enough time for it to hit ebay at about half its price.

Bottom line, people dont have to pirate games. They do so simply because they are thieves and they dont think they will ever be caught.

 

[Gladi]

What do you mean "goner"? You can buy older games at a greatly discounted price. Hell, if you find a good bundle of games on ebay, you can buy a great many games for a fraction of their original cost.

I hardly EVER buy a game on release. I have seen too many games out of the chute be so bad as to not even be playable. Waiting a few weeks never hurt anyone....besides..thats just enough time for it to hit ebay at about half its price.

Bottom line, people dont have to pirate games. They do so simply because they are thieves and they dont think they will ever be caught.

Its sales were abyssmal, most people abhorred it. I liked it . (and already ten years old or so by now)

So what have I stolen? When I stole CIV (for the whole three days before I bought it) who missed it? Did Take2 go all crazy "aaah one of our games is missing!"?

And what are you doing up on so late on workweek, burglaring ?

 

[Riffraff]

Basically the difference here is that if you steal a product, you "rob" the company of its developement and of its production costs, whereas if you simply pirate it, the company has no put no money into any production.

If you stay with the analogy of stealing a BMW, its like if you take apart your friends BMW, look how all the individual parts are built and work together, and then build yourself your own BMW 750. Should kinda be obvious why BMW's arent pirated very often but tend to be stolen, while software is usually pirated (does the word exist?)..

 

[Truronian]

Basically the difference here is that if you steal a product, you "rob" the company of its developement and of its production costs, whereas if you simply pirate it, the company has no put no money into any production.

Yes it has. Why do you think the game took two years to come out after the anouncement?

Also, I do not buy this "If I can't afford it then its ok" argument. If you can afford a computer, then you can afford the occasional game. Its a matter of priorities. If you want to buy Civ4, then you are gonna have to do without that new pair of jeans.

 

[Riffraff]

Yes it has. Why do you think the game took two years to come out after the anouncement?

Wait a sec, i was talking bout the production costs there only (i.e costs for printing CD, package, transport etc) as opposed to developement costs.