Plagiarism . advantages and disadvantage of it.

[scy12]

The tittle says it all. The only disadvantage of plagiarism i can think of is that it is not a new idea which sometimes is needed for success. I can't think of any other negatives to the amazing thing we all have and use that is plagiarism.

Incidentally this thread is not a plagiarism of an old thread.

 

[downtown]

Its pretty much the worst thing you can do in academia. In the states, people WILL fail you, and maybe throw your ass out of school for it.

 

[mrt144]

the other downside is that it subverts the metrics for which we measure people by in the academic or even work world. We don't care about how able you are to plagarize, we want to know how well you write.

 

[scy12]

Its pretty much the worst thing you can do in academia. In the states, people WILL fail you, and maybe throw your ass out of school for it.

Which school ? When i am using the theories of other people's understanding to create my understanding and name it "the knowledge i possess on an issue " am i not plagiarizing ?

 

[Bartleby]

Its pretty much the worst thing you can do in academia. In the states, people WILL fail you, and maybe throw your ass out of school for it.
The other downside is that it subverts the metrics for which we measure people by in the academic or even work world. We don't care about how able you are to plagarize, we want to know how well you write.



I'll get me coat

 

[LucyDuke]

Advantages: you don't do anything.

Disadvantages: you haven't done anything.

 

[scy12]

the other downside is that it subverts the metrics for which we measure people by in the academic or even work world. We don't care about how able you are to plagarize, we want to know how well you write.

But how well i write has to do with how well i plagiarize writing styles and then combine my plagiarisms together.

 

[Ecofarm]

Most schools will throw you out and I think they should. I didn't write thousands of pages of my own work to have my reputation (aquired by degree) undermined by a cheat.

I've always found it more difficult to find people with the same thing to say as me than to come up with my own crap; thus, I never saw plagairism as a profitable endeavor, timewise.

You SHOULD do you research first, then write the paper. If this is the case, how can you cite every single sentance and still claim any real contribution to the creation of your index?

Anyway, I know damn well what I'm going to write when I start, then I find citations to support my pre-concieved notion of the truth like any highly productive student.

 

[scy12]

Advantages: you don't do anything.

Disadvantages: you haven't done anything.

Plagiarism doesn't mean you haven't attempted to understand the object that you are plagiarizing. You can do so , if you wish.

 

[Speedo]

Which school ? When i am using the theories of other people's understanding to create my understanding and name it "the knowledge i possess on an issue " am i not plagiarizing ?

Um, essentially every school. At best, perhaps, you could hope to get away with just failing the course, but all respectable universities will consider plagiarism as grounds for expulsion.

 

[scy12]

Most schools will throw you out and I think they should. I didn't write thousands of pages of my own work to have my reputation (aquired by degree) undermined by a cheat.

I've always found it more difficult to find people with the same thing to say as me than to come up with my own crap; thus, I never saw plagairism as a profitable endeavor, timewise.

You SHOULD do you research first, then write the paper. If this is the case, how can you cite every single sentance and still claim any real contribution to the creation of your index?

Anyway, I know damn well what I'm going to write when I start, then I find citations to support my pre-concieved notion of the truth like any highly productive student.

So it is fine to steal with others provided we don't steal from only one person and what we write sounds unique and identifies our personal viewpoint of a matter. Interesting.

Some students choose do the above except the personal viewpoint staff.

 

[Ecofarm]

Plagiarism doesn't mean you haven't attempted to understand the object that you are plagiarizing. You can do so , if you wish.

Of course it does. If you've made any sort of a legitimate endeavor to understand the object, you would have something of your own to say and more than one citation.

I'm speaking academically. Politically is different.

Some students choose do the above except the personal viewpoint staff.

Those must be the objectivists! Thank god for Ayn Rand.

So it is fine to steal with others provided we don't steal from only one person and what we write sounds unique and identifies our personal viewpoint of a matter. Interesting.

Are you equating the proper citation of previous work in support of your own conclusions with stealing?

 

[scy12]

Um, essentially every school. At best, perhaps, you could hope to get away with just failing the course, but all respectable universities will consider plagiarism as grounds for expulsion.

Well i am not thinking of actually plagiarizing a subject if anyone thought so because i would rather still ideas from everything for so long i live and use those because itrust myself more than the author i would be stealing content from.

I am more interested in the consept of plagiarizing and why we are against it.

From what i can see we are against it for three reasons.

A) You steal the whole content from one source which has nothing to do with everything else you have stolen from others your whole life.

B) there is no pain at doing so and you can steal it without learning anything about it.

But we are not against stealing ideas from others. Or are we ?

 

[scy12]

Of course it does. If you've made any sort of a legitimate endeavor to understand the object, you would have something of your own to say and more than one citation.

I'm speaking academically. Politically is different.



Those must be the objectivists! Thank god for Ayn Rand.



Are you equating the proper citation of previous work in support of your own conclusions with stealing?

Are you equating the proper citation of previous work in support of your own conclusions with stealing?

I don't think proper citation of previous work is always necessary unless it is about historical facts where a writer is the only source on a matter. And some other cases where it is required to explain who said it first. I think we should not care about who said it first however when one draws their conclusions on a subject.

 

[Ecofarm]

A) You steal the whole content from one source which has nothing to do with everything else you have stolen from others your whole life.

wrong

B) there is no pain at doing so and you can steal it without learning anything about it.

wrong

But we are not against stealing ideas from others. Or are we ?

I'm done. Class dismissed.

 

[mrt144]

But how well i write has to do with how well i plagiarize writing styles and then combine my plagiarisms together.

writing in the style of someone else isn't plagiarism.

 

[LucyDuke]

Plagiarism doesn't mean you haven't attempted to understand the object that you are plagiarizing. You can do so , if you wish.

Right, and not submitting any material doesn't men you haven't attempted to understand the subject you're not submitting any material on.

If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.

 

[downtown]

Which school ? When i am using the theories of other people's understanding to create my understanding and name it "the knowledge i possess on an issue " am i not plagiarizing ?

Any American University will. Using the work of others is not plagiarizing if you cite it. Plagiarizing is copying somebody else's work and passing it off as your own.

Obviously, in a research paper, you're going to use other people's work. Thats why you cite it.

 

[scy12]

Right, and not submitting any material doesn't men you haven't attempted to understand the subject you're not submitting any material on.

If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.

Why is everyone seeing this in the it's a univercity paper perspective ?
Taking credit about something that isn't your own is something i don't necessarilly agree with but say one could find an opinion piece created by someone else which expresses someones opinion 100% . That one can reference to it as his opinion in a subject. To do this he either thought that it sounded cool or popular or he understood it's meaning and thought he couldn't express himself so eloquently.

A) You steal the whole content from one source which has nothing to do with everything else you have stolen from others your whole life.

wrong

B) there is no pain at doing so and you can steal it without learning anything about it.

wrong

But we are not against stealing ideas from others. Or are we ?

It would be good if you bothered to answer the post other than posting in red fonts , Wrong. You get an F for convincing methods.

 

[downtown]

Why is everyone seeing this in the it's a univercity paper perspective ?
Taking credit about something that isn't your own is something i don't necessarilly agree with but say one could find an opinion piece created by someone else which expresses someones opinion 100% . That one can reference to it as his opinion in a subject. To do this he either thought that it sounded cool or popular or he understood it's meaning and thought he couldn't express himself so eloquently.

Then use the paper, but credit the author.