Player stats, sales, and reception speculation thread

[Leucarum]

I am always going to bring it back to the newest Dragon Age. That game killed the franchise and Bioware while also being targeted by the worst of the worst gamers®. It is currently sitting at 68% on steam.

I still enjoyed Inquisition. Kind of a pity that the ending was its best bit as lots of players never got there. I also thought Andromeda was fine. I'm weirdly tolerant of bioware's missteps.

 

[canadamufc]

I have to wonder, if they put out DLC for both 6 and 7 at the same time, if 6 would outsell it

Yes.

 

[trev1972]

Interestingly the sale has definitely increased PC sales, it is number 22 on the steam charts right now.

 

[Core Imposter]

Interestingly the sale has definitely increased PC sales, it is number 22 on the steam charts right now.

That is interesting. Would it also be that other relatively new games have moved up the charts?

 

[CivilizationVII]

Civ 5 concurrent player count is about double what Civ 7 is getting at the moment. Civ 7 is struggling to get 8000 players on Steam now. This release can only be described as a utter disaster.

It has gotten over 8,000 concurrent players 22 out of the past 30 days, so that isn't accurate. Average peak for the past 30 days is at 8,816.

 

[Crashdummy]

Interestingly the sale has definitely increased PC sales, it is number 22 on the steam charts right now.

But it didnt increase player numbers at all

I think some people took advantage to "upgrade" their edition, but very few new players are buying it

 

[Core Imposter]

Grasping at straws, to believe that the game is performing better on consoles or selling like hotcakes in China. It stands to reason that performance is relatively equivalent- absent any contradictory evidence. Therefore, the benefits of the simultaneous launch are weighed down by the costs necessary to achieve the feat.

Still there is also a reasonable hope that player rates will pick up. A great many of those diehard Civ sixers (and fivers as well) are certainly aware of the state of play and sensibly feel no hurry to abandon completely fine fully functioning games to what they must know is a half baked mess of a release. Nevertheless, when the wine is properly aged and priced they will surely procure a bottle and sample a glass around the fire.

Till then, for my part, I am going to tune up the old desktop that runs Win98 and spend some time with Sid's Gettysburg. Whupping some Yankees is a fine way to spend the autumn and early winter.

 

[Crashdummy]

About the 50-50 in Steam, it is my understanding that people that refunded the game do not show up in the review numbers, so a 50-50 is actualy way worse than 50%

 

[Kwami]

About the 50-50 in Steam, it is my understanding that people that refunded the game do not show up in the review numbers, so a 50-50 is actualy way worse than 50%

That's not correct. If the user refunds the game, then "Product refunded" is printed at the top of the review.

 

[Crashdummy]

That's not correct. If the user refunds the game, then "Product refunded" is printed at the top of the review.

Yes you can see the reviews, but as far as i know, they dont count in the % totals. Thats one of the reasons why steamdb have different review numbers

 

[Xur]

Yes you can see the reviews, but as far as i know, they dont count in the % totals. Thats one of the reasons why steamdb have different review numbers

Steam apparently only counts direct non-refunded steam purchases and not keys from 3rd party. That’s according to steamDB itself in an old blogpost. All the reviews are still shown, but only direct purchases counts towards the score. Not even gifted games count.

Steamdb gets its info from steam, so one would think it would be identical, but there’s a lot going on in the background. All reviews are getting tagged “steam purchase”, “key activation”, “free weekend”, “early access” and so on. It’s the “steam” tag that steam uses to make the overall percentage score. All reviews are visible, but not all are used for the final score. Some reviews can even be marked as abuse or spam by Steam, thus not being counted by either steam or steamDB.

SteamDB apparently counts all review tags. I dont know what is more is more fair or accurate to be honest. I think free weekend reviews and gifted games could be questionable. I understand why steam wouldn’t count refunded games, because there’s most likely some weirdos that would abuse it to review bomb games.

In the end, I would probably trust steamDB more in this case because I assume there’s a lot of legit refunds.

TLDR: you are correct.

 

[Smegger213]

It has gotten over 8,000 concurrent players 22 out of the past 30 days, so that isn't accurate. Average peak for the past 30 days is at 8,816.

It only peaked above 8000 players at the weekends. The actual average over the last 30 days is 6822. https://steamdb.info/app/1295660/charts/#1m

 

[CivilizationVII]

It only peaked above 8000 players at the weekends. The actual average over the last 30 days is 6822. https://steamdb.info/app/1295660/charts/#1m

Wrong again. Look at the graph you just sent. The past 30 days from the date I said are:

1. 9,801
2. 10,066
3. 8,057
4. 7,741
5. 7,472
6. 7,265
7. 7,899
8. 9,188
9. 9,980
10. 7,834
11. 8,975
12. 8,965
13. 8,839
14. 9,542
15. 11,301
16. 11,758
17. 9,348
18. 8,863
19. 8,459
20. 8,316
21. 8,768
22. 10,132
23. 10,719
24. 8,528
25. 8,037
26. 7,703
27. 7,228
28. 7,750
29. 8,941
30. 9,595

That's 22 out of 30 days where it has peaked over 8,000.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

#22 in top sellers list right now, as noted above
#204 in daily active players

But what I found most interesting is that, per SteamDB, Civ 7 is currently #8 in Wishlist activity. I haven't noticed this stat up til now, but that sounds to me like a lot of prospective buyers on the sidelines.

 

[stealth_nsk]

#22 in top sellers list right now, as noted above
#204 in daily active players

But what I found most interesting is that, per SteamDB, Civ 7 is currently #8 in Wishlist activity. I haven't noticed this stat up til now, but that sounds to me like a lot of prospective buyers on the sidelines.

Yeah, one of the important things to remember is that buying decision is not binary, between "buy" and "not buy" there are a lot of shades of "wait for discounts". We see some of those people buying the game now and a lot more still waiting.

And yes, another thing as usual is that simultaneous players is a metric which has really weak connection with number of sales.

 

[Krikkit1]

Yeah, one of the important things to remember is that buying decision is not binary, between "buy" and "not buy" there are a lot of shades of "wait for discounts". We see some of those people buying the game now and a lot more still waiting.

And yes, another thing as usual is that simultaneous players is a metric which has really weak connection with number of sales.

Some of those are also “wait for the game to be finished” (to whatever standard the wish lister has)

 

[Xur]

Maybe people just forget to remove it from wishlist? I got a lot of games "coming soon" that has been there for years. Once in a while I go though the list and clean it up. I was really looking forward to civ7 a lot because I wasn't a fan of civ6, so you can imagine my disappointment and immediate decision to remove it from the wishlist.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Some of those are also “wait for the game to be finished” (to whatever standard the wish lister has)

Yes, often both. I have many games added to my wishlist to be bought with discounts and patches.

 

[AD1730]

Maybe people just forget to remove it from wishlist? I got a lot of games "coming soon" that has been there for years. Once in a while I go though the list and clean it up. I was really looking forward to civ7 a lot because I wasn't a fan of civ6, so you can imagine my disappointment and immediate decision to remove it from the wishlist.

I have it on my wishlist even though I have no intention to buy it unless certain major (and unlikely) changes are made.

 

[stealth_nsk]

There are always people who put game on wishlist and don't buy it, that's true for every game. So, since we're talking about relative position (#8 among all games), not absolute numbers, it doesn't matter. The position is still very impressive.