Polanski v. Bieber: Arena of Antipathy

[BvBPL]

Do you think more people in America dislike Roman Polanski or Justin Bieber?

 

[Arachnofiend]

I think most people in America don't know who Roman Polanski is

I know I didn't! Why would I care about a Pole? Or worse, a French Pole.

 

[Goodfella]

More dislike Bieber, but only because more know who he is.

 

[azzaman333]

I still don't understand why anyone cares about Justin Bieber, let alone cares enough to dislike or even hate him.

 

[sophie]

I know I didn't! Why would I care about a Pole? Or worse, a French Pole.

Because:


Link to video.

also because:


Link to video.

 

[chad187]

I dont know who Roman polanski is so bieber by default.

 

[Kyriakos]

Polanski had made a couple of mostly good films (The Tenant, etc). Of course he was trialed for pedophilia, so the case and crime is not comparable to bieber, since bieber is just a stupid teen.

 

[Domen]

Of course he was trialed for pedophilia

Polański thought she was over 18 because she looked like over 18 and she lied to him that she really was.

Pedophile is a person attracted to children - not to adult women.

 

[bhsup]

I think most people in America don't know who Roman Polanski is

I know I didn't! Why would I care about a Pole? Or worse, a French Pole.

He's an American hiding out in France because he ran rather than face justice for the drugging and rape of a young teenage (13 IIRC) girl. That's why you should care.

As regards the OP, I would -hope- more care seriously about Polanski and want to see him returned to face justice. That said, I don't know that you can read a media sensationalism into what Americans actually care more about. For one thing, you are only getting a slice of Americans that happen to feed into that which garners more noise, etc. What I mean is, just because that Canadian gets more splash in the news doesn't mean if you asked Americans which they care about more, and assuming they knew the details of both, more would care about Polanski.

EDIT: And just to shoot Domen's "he didn't know" defense all to hell...

Source: Why, Wikipedia of course

In March 1977, film director Roman Polanski was arrested and charged in Los Angeles with five offenses against Samantha Gailey, a 13-year-old girl[1] – rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance to a minor.

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According to Geimer's testimony to the grand jury, Polanski had asked Geimer's mother (a television actress and model) if he could photograph the girl as part of his work for the French edition of Vogue,[11] which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot. Geimer testified that she felt uncomfortable during the first session, in which she posed topless at Polanski's request

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Geimer testified that Polanski provided champagne that they shared as well as part of a quaalude,[15] and despite her protests, he performed oral, vaginal, and anal sex acts upon her,[16][17] each time after being told 'no' and being asked to stop.

1) No means no
2) he wouldn't have asked mommy anything if he thought she was 18.

 

[Kyriakos]

He's an American hiding out in France because he ran rather than face justice for the drugging and rape of a young teenage (13 IIRC) girl. That's why you should care.

As regards the OP, I would -hope- more care seriously about Polanski and want to see him returned to face justice. That said, I don't know that you can read a media sensationalism into what Americans actually care more about. For one thing, you are only getting a slice of Americans that happen to feed into that which garners more noise, etc. What I mean is, just because that Canadian gets more splash in the news doesn't mean if you asked Americans which they care about more, and assuming they knew the details of both, more would care about Polanski.

Do those americans care more about syntax than you, though?

 

[bhsup]

If you have a problem with my syntax, point it out so I know what I did wrong. Otherwise, stfu and don't be a grammar nazi. As far as I know, every comma was warranted.

EDIT: In fact, don't even point them out. I don't really care enough about sentence structure at 6:whatever o'clock in the morning while I sit here sipping coffee.

 

[Tahuti]

Of course he was trialed for pedophilia

That says more about the perniciousness of the law under which he was persecuted (more precisely, he was persecuted under statutory rape provisions) than his own moral failures. In addition to what Domen said, the girl he supposedly had sex with was 14 years old, which is a sexually ripe age for most women. You can't possibly pretend she didn't have any knowledge of what was going on nor that she wasn't physically mature in that respect, so Polanski is definitely NOT a pedophile.

 

[Kyriakos]

If you have a problem with my syntax, point it out so I know what I did wrong. Otherwise, stfu and don't be a grammar nazi. As far as I know, every comma was warranted.

EDIT: In fact, don't even point them out. I don't really care enough about sentence structure at 6:whatever o'clock in the morning while I sit here sipping coffee.

Take it easy bro , i just thought you did not want to post that in your view if americans knew about Polanski as well as Bieber, they would still think Bieber's assault case next to Polanski's assumed pedophilia, is still the worse of the two. But continue sounding like that whether you aim so or just can't help it, as was the case here.

 

[Farm Boy]

That says more about the perniciousness of the law under which he was persecuted (more precisely, he was persecuted under statutory rape provisions) than his own moral failures. In addition to what Domen said, the girl he supposedly had sex with was 14 years old, which is a sexually ripe age for most women. You can't possibly pretend she didn't have any knowledge of what was going on nor that she wasn't physically mature in that respect, so Polanski is definitely NOT a pedophile.

Given the circumstances regarding drug use and consent, and that 14 year olds are children in the States, he's still a man who raped a child even if he's not a pedophile. That better for clarity's sake?

 

[Antilogic]

I know my neighbors, and I picked Bieber because omg he was on the tv yesterday.

Not saying I agree with it.

 

[Dralix]

That says more about the perniciousness of the law under which he was persecuted (more precisely, he was persecuted under statutory rape provisions)

Prosecuted, not persecuted.

 

[Antilogic]

I think it is funnier to assume it was not a mistake.

 

[Dralix]

I assumed it was intentional.

 

[Snorrius]

Given the circumstances regarding drug use and consent, and that 14 year olds are children in the States, he's still a man who raped a child even if he's not a pedophile. That better for clarity's sake?

I will not be surprised if Bieber have «raped» some minors as well before he have reached the age of consent himself (he is quite young and it is not unheard of to start sex life before one's get formal approve from local authority).

It must be said that when a sane people tell a word "consent" he or she means a mental ability to make a decision which is not really obeys legal laws. An Anglo-Saxon «statutory rape» it is a pure legality which differs from state to state and from country to country and which have no any real connection to actual ability of human being to make decisitons. I am not denying it may be illegal but seducing a biologically pubertal female certainly does not carry the same ethical badness traditionally accompanying the term «rape».

 

[Farm Boy]

It does when 1) you drug them, and 2) they tell you "no" and you do it anyways. Age doesn't really matter in this situation, other than to exacerbate the notion that if you are going to "rape rape"<gags a little> someone, it's perhaps even a little bit more vile that the rapist selected a 14 year old victim. If Beiber has drugged and fornicated unwilling females without being caught, then I hope he gets caught. But his proven dipwadery, thus far, has not extended into sexual violence.