Poll: How to fix the Jaguar?

[VirusMonster]

hey, I made the pool with multioptions, ie people can choose more than one option, but I intended every fix to be seperate. So no one is actually suggesting a 6 strengh +30 city raider jaguar... All poll options count as seperate fixes.

 

[Roxlimn]

They're too weak. In order to be perfectly balanced against the default unit, they ought to get the strength buffed to 6, and then require Iron and lose Woodsman promotion to compensate. That would make them very nearly the equal of Swordsmen, I think.

 

[Pe Ell]

And just how often is Monty an actual threat to anything? He senselessly spams military, falls behind and suicides all his units time after time. Sure he's annoying, but he almost never does anything that might win him the game. Somewhat stronger jaguars would only be good.

I like the option of giving woodsman a bonus when attacking from a forested tile. It would give a lot more versatality to an otherwise nearly useless ability. How big the bonus should be and where in the woodsman chain it should be applied can be discussed. 10% at woodsman I, then further 20% at woodsman II and another 20% at woodsman III for a total of 50% maybe?

 

[kazapp]

I tried voting with none of the options selected, but that didn't work.

I vote for "the Jaguar is weak, but that's fine. All UUs aren't made equal. In fact, it wouldn't be any fun if they were." which, according to the poll, means selecting nothing. But that option isn't available.

 

[Roxlimn]

I reiterate my fix, which I think would fix the unit nearly completely. My previous suggestions were, as I found, near the mark. In order to fix the Jaguar completely, apply all my suggested changes, then increase the hammer cost to 40 (Normal speed). That should just about be perfect.

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

What is the problem here? Someone said the Aztecs don~t have a city attacking unit until Mace and Elephants? How doe sone figure that? You can attack with warriors and up. The Jaguar gets the +10% city attack just like Swordman. I think that IR is neccesary to keep it fair and balanced, even if it doesn~t need iron. Remember it starts with CI too. I have had fun inflicting some serious damage with them and although they are not Praetorians or Redcoats, these units are great. Play a Boreal or Rain Forest map and then come back and tell us what you think.

To those people knocking the Jags or the Native Amercian city, I publically challenge you to a PBE game and hopefully I can make you see how great they are. This challenge last until June, as I will be traveling for a few months then.

 

[Cornhog]

My option isn't there. It seems obvious. Give the Aztecs two unique units — a jaguar that requires iron (and has 6 attack strength) and one that doesn't require iron (with a 5 attack strength).

Do the same with camel archers. A strength of nine without horses and iron and ten with horses and iron (or something to that effect.)