What difficulty are you playing on? In my experience, once you hit Emperor(?)+ your enemies are going to have enough units that any unguarded siege or ranged units are going to be minced meat pre-artillery. I can see it being useful on lower difficulties, but even then I don't see how that makes them better than, say Siam, especially when compared with some not-that-great UUs.
POLL: strongest civ in civ5
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What difficulty are you playing on? In my experience, once you hit Emperor(?)+ your enemies are going to have enough units that any unguarded siege or ranged units are going to be minced meat pre-artillery. I can see it being useful on lower difficulties, but even then I don't see how that makes them better than, say Siam, especially when compared with some not-that-great UUs.
i think ill play as siam next time lol. i realized that i'm always opting for food growth combined with a strong economy to sustain asap expansion. i rarely befriend a cultural or militaristic city-state so Siam is a good bet for me i think. culture and science can wait. they shouldn't be the focus because they come anyways...i'm not too fond of the rationalism tech tree. the free 2 techs look awesome but they come too late to really make a difference and the other things in that branch are garbage but maybe i'm wrong.
To poster that said Spain is totally dependent on luck of finding wonders( for the big gold early). I think that many civs are just as dependant on luck. I've seen many posts on Rome beeline to iron working then pumping out prats, this seems to be accepted as a valid strategy. however many times we've all shot straight to iron working, then sorry no iron ANYWHERE near by ---is it time to start the game over??---- Point being all civs need a little early luck on the higher difficulties (imm/diety). I've had a good track record playing Spain solo and multi on immortal (not so much on diety)
. Their UA and UU are very underrated imo esp the Conquestador with it's movement and no pen on city attacks abilities. Try a game with Spain on imm before panning them. I'd take them ahead of france, rome, greece anytime...
. Their UA and UU are very underrated imo esp the Conquestador with it's movement and no pen on city attacks abilities. Try a game with Spain on imm before panning them. I'd take them ahead of france, rome, greece anytime...
snarzberry
Emperor
To poster that said Spain is totally dependent on luck of finding wonders( for the big gold early). I think that many civs are just as dependant on luck. I've seen many posts on Rome beeline to iron working then pumping out prats, this seems to be accepted as a valid strategy. however many times we've all shot straight to iron working, then sorry no iron ANYWHERE near by ---is it time to start the game over??---- Point being all civs need a little early luck on the higher difficulties (imm/diety). I've had a good track record playing Spain solo and multi on immortal (not so much on diety)
Spain's UA is high variance, of that there is no doubt. It is arguably the most high variance of all the UAs or UUs. It has to be due to how powerful it is. Every time you play Spain there are at least 8 (?) El Dorado's on the map. On high levels the odds of you finding one first is still low due to how quickly the fog is gobbled up by assisted AIs.
Compare that to Rome's dependency on early iron to get use out of it's UUs and you'd have to say that Rome is subject to significantly less variance. In order for those units to be useless there needs to be no iron in your capital, none to settle, none to ally for and none to trade for. So Rome gets use out of those units in the majority of games where Spain gets no use out of it's UA in the majority of games, but makes up for this in the spectacular games when you have 1000 gold on turn 5. (Actually Spain still gets the small bonus help when finding a NW that's already been found, but this is neither here nor there, the main benefit of this UA is when you're first and it comes early)
But I take your point about luck playing a roll in every game, I just think that this applies doubly to Spain and more so to them than anyone else.
I voted Egypt. Got many good games with them. They are nice in multiplayer. I often build many wonders late medieval-rennaissance era.
Faster NC,NT,IW,...name it. Free UB with 2 free happiness? Do i need to explain? These burial tombs roughly equal to free coliseums with culture! awesome. UU is kind of meh but if lot of plains around they can be useful to ''catch'' ennemies.
Faster NC,NT,IW,...name it. Free UB with 2 free happiness? Do i need to explain? These burial tombs roughly equal to free coliseums with culture! awesome. UU is kind of meh but if lot of plains around they can be useful to ''catch'' ennemies.
ouais mais les chariots archers sont plutot bof
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C'est ce que je disais(That's what i said).
Both UA and UB are strong enough to compensate a below average UU.
in regards to this poll, they should definitely give spain, germany, aztecs, inca and england a buff.
also, i'm also wondering why 7 people voted for america. they seem one of the worst in my opinion but i've never played with them.
also, i'm also wondering why 7 people voted for america. they seem one of the worst in my opinion but i've never played with them.
jbevermore
Warmongering Menace
They're not that bad, especially if you can find a smaller, weaker Civ to keep a perpetual war with and farm their units (kinda like the real aztecs).
Especially with the Jaguar Warriors, make enough of them and upgrade through the years and they can be pretty nasty, remember that the promotions are permanent.
Carl5872
Prince
Same here. Keshliks are almost unbeatable. They can even put a human opponent in trouble.
But is that power enough to capture all capitals? (asking out of ignorance since I've never tried them) If you play on a huge map with 11 opponents will your happiness tank before you can get them all?
Will the world gang up on you? What about if the map has islands or continents? Im assuming a completely random map.
Carl5872
Prince
I have a process I use:
Take the most expensive tech that you would pop the scientist for in cost of beakers. Then divide by the beakers the scientist would produce without any modifiers. This will give you the number of turns that the game would have to continue to justify making a tile improvement.
Now I am making some big assumptions here in ignoring the +% modifier buildings, but I feel they may be neutralized by the time value of research. One tech now all other things being equal is worth more than equivalent pieces of that tech spread out over the future.
This still may be flawed and if you see improvements please share.
For example you get a scientist, and the tech you would use costs 2,000 beakers. If the scientist makes 6 beakers per turn with an improvement, then the turn hurdle is 334.
2,000 beakers/6 beakers per turn= 334 turns
If you feel the game will go on for another 334 turns then build the improvement. If you feel that you can win in 200 or so, then pop it now.
This is subject to override though based on situations. Say youre invaded by a technologically superior army, you may want to pop one for rifling immediately.
i say build academies up until the year 1800 and then discover techs.
Carl5872
Prince
Doesn't it annoy you that the AI comes and asks forfrom you as a gift but will never do the same for you in return!
AMEN BROTHER!
I wish you could ask the AI for favor.
I also hate how the AI will never try to bribe you to war with someone.
Carl5872
Prince
Real life nationalism?
There aren't a best civilization.It depends the kind of map,the distribution of strategic and luxury resources,the size of the map(I think Spain is good for small maps,but its start bias chooses a place near a nw) and of course,your choose to win. Even Babylon isn't so strong all the times. For example,in archipelago maps with high sea level,it gets harder to choose a place to put academy.
jbevermore
Warmongering Menace
Nah, they really are that good.
Well, minutemen and their UA is that good. B-17's kinda suck.
dojoboy
Tsalagi
I find those that provide some kind of gold bonus through gameplay to be the most...flexible for my play style.
bryanw1995
Emperor
Siam.
I actually like America. 1 extra sight for every land unit is extremely helpful, and like Japan's UA it is beneficial for the entire game. Definitely a sneaky-good trait, it can be leveraged quite well to keep your eyes on the battlefield from the beginning and/or spot an early rush a turn early.
I actually like America. 1 extra sight for every land unit is extremely helpful, and like Japan's UA it is beneficial for the entire game. Definitely a sneaky-good trait, it can be leveraged quite well to keep your eyes on the battlefield from the beginning and/or spot an early rush a turn early.
I think if you are playing an iron working based strategy on deity that is important that you be the first (or close to first) with iron this means no trading or allying for it. So it has to be in your capital radius or close by. I find this to be a very hit or miss proposition. True probably more likely than finding one or more nat wonders with Spain, but since I lose more than I win on deity anyway I'II take my chances looking for a big start with Isabella.
