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Poll: What is the worst Natural Wonder to settle?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Atinuviel, Oct 8, 2013.

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What is the worst natural wonder to settle?

  1. The Barrington Crater (+2Gold, +3 Science)

    54 vote(s)
    19.3%
  2. Grand Mesa (+2Hammer, +3 Gold)

    117 vote(s)
    41.8%
  3. Great Barrier Reef (+2Food, +1Hammer, +1Gold, +1 Science)

    6 vote(s)
    2.1%
  4. Krakatoa (+5 Science)

    40 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. Mt. Fuji (+2Gold, +3Culture, +3Faith)

    1 vote(s)
    0.4%
  6. Old Faithful (+2Science, +3 Happiness)

    34 vote(s)
    12.1%
  7. Rock of Gibraltar (+2Food, +5Gold)

    3 vote(s)
    1.1%
  8. Cerro de Petosi (+10 Gold)

    3 vote(s)
    1.1%
  9. El Dorado (+5 Culture. 500G for first discovery)

    8 vote(s)
    2.9%
  10. Fountain of Youth (+10 Happiness. Double Recovery)

    3 vote(s)
    1.1%
  11. Mt. Kailash (+6 Faith, +2 Happiness)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Mt Sinai (+8 Faith)

    2 vote(s)
    0.7%
  13. Sri Pada (+2 Food, +4 Faith, +2 Happiness)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Ulura (+2 Food, +6 Faith)

    1 vote(s)
    0.4%
  15. King Solomon's Mine (+6 Hammer)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Lake Victoria (+6 Food)

    4 vote(s)
    1.4%
  17. Mt. Klimanjaro (+3 Food, +2 Culture. Altitude Training)

    4 vote(s)
    1.4%
  1. Cyanfunk

    Cyanfunk The Lion

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    El Dorado's actual effect is to give you a free settler, can't see why people would vote against that.
     
  2. NoOneImportant

    NoOneImportant Warlord

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    Because it's all about the worst natural wonder to settle. You get the gold for just finding it, so it's completely irrelevant.
     
  3. Browd

    Browd Dilettante Administrator

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    Grand Mesa is IMO the worst NW to settle.
     
  4. PrimoXanthous

    PrimoXanthous ~ knightmare13 ~

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    most of Vanilla NW.
     
  5. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    Grand Mesa is super weak. You can improve most regular tiles with workers/buildings/techs to beat what the grand mesa gives you, let alone how much better Resource tiles are then it.

    At least the other weak NW's give science or faith or something regular tiles "can't" give. Grand Mesa is just a desert hill tile with +3 gold.
     
  6. Jampine

    Jampine Warlord

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    I voted Barringter below the grand mesa, since the latter tends to actually be in a workable place from time to time. Oh, and I'm looking at you, Krakatoa..... has anyone here actually been able to work it before? I haven't.

    Also, for old faithful, well I guess you could say it.... blows.. HOHOHO :lol:
     
  7. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    Grand Mesa is just terrible. I'd have trouble justifying settling it even as Spain.
     
  8. Atinuviel

    Atinuviel Chieftain

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    Well, 4 Hammers make it equivalent to a late game mine, and the extra 6 gold is quite a bit early game. Still one of the worst I guess, but I'd say it's definitely worth it to settle it as Spain. Especially if you have One with Nature.
     
  9. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    For me, the order is: old faithful, grand mesa, barringer crater then gibraltar. The rest are decent natural wonders. I understand why Krakatoa is voted down because I often see it spawn in the middle of nowhere, where it can't be worked at all.
     
  10. azzaman333

    azzaman333 meh

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    It needs above average food in the surrounding area. Otherwise it's still arguably worse than a mined gold/silver/gems hill since it provides no happiness.
     
  11. Nickbonista

    Nickbonista Chieftain

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    The fact we're trying to justify settling it with SPAIN shows how bad it is, 99% of games aren't with Spain, so as people have said, a mined luxury is better
     
  12. georgie

    georgie Warlord

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    Nail on the head. Grand Mesa is about as much of a "Wonder" as a luxury resource.

    At least the other 3 main vote getters give you something that you can't get from a tile in the wild :c5science:
     
  13. Atinuviel

    Atinuviel Chieftain

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    Fair enough. I guess I just like at least seeing some tangible benefits with Grand Mesa. (MORE gold! Now you can actually build that granary in 10 turns as opposed to 400000 turns!) Whereas with Old Faithful I rarely see the tech turn-count even dropping at all when I switch to it.
     
  14. Calouste

    Calouste Deity

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    Even then, El Dorado is not that bad. 5 culture is quite a large amount early game in BNW.
     
  15. darden

    darden Chieftain

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    Krakatoa... I've never, ever seen it spawn anywhere but the dead middle of the ocean.
     
  16. DarthSheldonPhD

    DarthSheldonPhD Warlord

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    OK - take any old hill tile and put a trading post on it (2H, 1G). add the bonus for researching economics (+1G), finish commerce SP (+1G), and the Free Thought SP (+1B). that trading post on a hill generates 2H/3G/1B, everything Grand Mesa has plus one science. The natural wonder is outclassed by any hill tile, and mind you this is without any resource.

    For the haters of Baringer, bear in mind that if you can get Petra in the city with it, it's 1F/1P/2G/3B, not too shabby...

    And for the haters of Old Faithful, how often are your cities utilizing all 24 tiles in a 3 tile radius? What if one of those tiles that you weren't using added 3 happiness to your empire, just shy of an extra luxury? Not too shabby either...
     
  17. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    No, pretty sure that's not true - if I recall properly, the Barringer Crater counts as a mountain, not as a desert tile (and besides, it can spawn in Tundra.)
     
  18. Kintara

    Kintara Warlord

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    No, it's happened for me. It can be both, apparently.
     
  19. AW Arcaeca

    AW Arcaeca Deus Vult

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    So if Barringer can count as a mountain, does that mean you can build Machu Picchu or Neuschwanstein on top of it? Or on Krakatoa, Mt. Fuji, Mt.Sinai, Sri Pada or Mt. Kailash?
     
  20. Kintara

    Kintara Warlord

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    You can build an observatory, and you may have been able to do this with those wonders at one point. But at this point I heard that it doesn't count as a mountain for the purposes of wonders that require them.
     

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