Porn Site Filters for the UK

[Borachio]

yassir eyes shur dum alwrite eyes noes it

them's lil piccaninnies jus pops write out an bounces lickety spit inta groan ups shore nuff

no problem

 

[Angst]

bwest parents drivea cars

 

[Oruc]

I'd mandate parenting classes myself. Leaving it all to instinct is just too slap-happy, I think.

That's still just a plaster

 

[Angst]

i'm curious actually. how is it a plaster to .. regulate parenting?

i think i recall you're a dirty libertarian and all* but how is a solution to bad parenting not a solution to bad parenting

Spoiler :

* this is said in the lovingly-est jest in the world

 

[Oruc]

i'm curious actually. how is it a plaster to .. regulate parenting?

i think i recall you're a dirty libertarian and all* but how is a solution to bad parenting not a solution to bad parenting

Spoiler :

* this is said in the lovingly-est jest in the world

Oh? I thought the trend was to assume I was a fascist? although I took one of those political tests that said I was socialist patriot, I suppose people just have to stick me somewhere.
It ignores the outside influence of society (unless you plan to cut yourself off or go innawoods), you can be the best parent ever but you're still raising your child in a society that values crass consumerism that is rampantly degenerate, the only things it offers for people to aspire to is accumulation of wealth and celebrity status for it's own sake.

 

[Borachio]

That's a sweeping generalization though.

Do you feel the only options open to you are the accumulation of wealth and celebrity status?

I certainly don't. Nor do I consider myself to be primarily a degenerate consumer. I think of myself as a much more splendid, and multifaceted, fellow.

 

[Peck of Arabia]

Wait, wait wait wait wait- are we (collectively, as a thread) now advocating active state intervention in parenting in lieu of porn opt-ins? I guess if it's put like that Mr Cameron was being pretty reasonable.

 

[Borachio]

Rather the provision of adequate educational opportunities for prospective parents on a semi-required basis. Kind of like compulsory education for children. Aren't you in favour of that either?

 

[Peck of Arabia]

Of course I'm in favour of compulsory education for children

Your talk of provision of adequate educational opportunities for prospective parents on a semi-required basis could be something as innocuous as books in the library and subsidised playgroups and that's fine (who could possibly argue against that). It's when you start talking about mandating or regulating of parenting that I get a bit uppity. Because then you get around to the "right" way to parent and the "wrong" way to parent. Aside from the obvious (which is dealt with by social services already) that's for family, extended family and friends of the family to work together with, nobody else, really. No matter how pure their intentions.

 

[Borachio]

Well there you go. You could say much the same about compulsory education for children, imo.

As for what's the right or wrong way to parent, the only way to gauge that is by outcomes, I suggest.

I don't know why it's assumed that parents suddenly, and magically, have this ability to parent. We don't assume it of any other skill I can think of.

 

[Tsoate]

I am concerned we are creating a data-base of those who have opted in to be able to view their internet uncensored. What is the press going to think when someone uses the freedom of information act, and finds a celebrity, or a politician who has opted out? Finally, why have we got so far down the road of parents not retaining the responsibility to raise children!?

 

[AdamCrock]

scratch "beer" and replace with "porn" and there You go another "prohibition" fail

Now more seriously: Would You rather have Your children acidentally bump into porn picture while on net or bump into porn starved fap-maniac on the street - Your choice

 

[Angst]

I wouldn't mind my kid accidentally bump into a porn picture on the web to begin with. If it'd ever hurt the child, it'd be my fault to provide the circumstances allowing it to happen.

Kids can handle what sex is. You have to explain them what's natural, what isn't, what's staged, what's not, etc. They don't get scarred or damaged for life from it.

 

[Borachio]

Why not serve beer to minors, then? Why try to discourage excessive drinking? Why limit where and when you can buy alcohol? Why is consuming alcohol on the streets illegal in some countries? Why do some countries prohibit it altogether?

 

[Kyriakos]

Pornography indeed is potentially dangerous to minors. Any person just entering puberty would most likely be sickened by watching any hardcore porn, since that person would in no way be able to realize that the porn is not some documentary about the reality of sex, but merely a cheap amateur movie made by some people so as to make money, and nothing of importance.

So yeah, filters should exist where minors use the internet, but those filters should be maintained by the adults of the family. Not by the government. The ISP has no business asking what i want to look at over the internet or not.

 

[Borachio]

Watch out, Kyriakos. Someone's going to leap up and down, shouting how dare you suggest that pornography is in any way harmful to anyone.

(Still, maybe they won't.)

 

[Janusi]

Basically, what this filter idea says is the following:

Mr. Cameron believes that the only adults in the country are in the government, the rest are children.

 

[Mise]

Interesting blog post from a someone who was sexually abused as a child: http://zine.openrightsgroup.org/features/2013/porn-blocking

Basically, she says that she didn't feel as though she could go to her parents, her teachers, or to any authority figure, because she had been instilled at an early age with the idea that sex is shameful, and should not be discussed in public. (This, of course, is the standard Christian/religious ideology rearing its ugly head again, brainwashing our children into believing that we should not even talk about sex, even when they are being abused, and shaming them into silence. C.f. Catholic priests.) She says that sex education in schools is focussed on the mechanics of sex, but not on how to stop unwanted sexual advances or where to go for help if you have been raped or abused. Choice quote:

Like many kids today, I received sex education that was patchy, focused on the mechanics and on avoiding pregnancy and STIs. Oh, and some of it was distinctly anti-abortion - talk about personal boundaries and bodily autonomy elsewhere. At no point was pleasure discussed. At no point did we ever talk about consent. At not point did a teacher make me feel like I could ask questions, express concerns or confide in them. I knew all about the mechanics of sex. I had a very good idea of what was happening to me when I was being abused. I had no idea how to stop it.

 

[Quackers]

General issue: Sex is partly violent. More often than not, one of the parties overpower the other; even if the other has it done to itself willingly. To pretend there is a notable line between depicted overpowering and depicted rape is to pretend one is omniscient superGod, but I guess moralists like doing that.

The line is consent, it's quite clear cut - as long as you're using the accepted definition of rape.

 

[Yeekim]

But one objection strikes me as rather inconsistent. If there's nothing wrong with porn and looking at porn is totally normal and every adult does it, then what's so horribly bad about telling your ISP that you watch porn, or being on a list of people who watch porn? Surely that list encompasses 90% of the adult male population anyway...

Agreed. Not to mention the NSA stores your entire web traffic anyway.
I would actually support this move, if I had any hope this filter could be even halfway effective and not bypassable in, like, 30 seconds.

I wouldn't mind my kid accidentally bump into a porn picture on the web to begin with. If it'd ever hurt the child, it'd be my fault to provide the circumstances allowing it to happen.

Kids can handle what sex is. You have to explain them what's natural, what isn't, what's staged, what's not, etc. They don't get scarred or damaged for life from it.

Depends on the picture, really. I've stumbled on pics of girls attempting to insert graters - I would have some trouble explaining that to my kid. In fact, I don't think I quite understand such behaviour myself.