Possible coup in Turkey

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Now that is significant, control over tv chanels. Are the military split?
 
I don't know where you political preferences lie, not would it be wise to talk about it now. But if I were in Turkey I'd stay well away of the ongoing events. The side carrying out the coup clearly is not just a small minority, they had both army and air assets. This is going to be fought over, the people with the guns, whichever side they are in have a rather big advantage.
 
Doesn't the turkish millitary have a constitutional right to seize power if they think the government is being un-Atatürkish or something?
 
Something like that existed, Turkey is... weird. But I don't think they're going to call the constitutional scholars to sort out this one.
 
Hm... Merkel's skirts it is?

I still think the odds favor the military carrying out the coup. They're not just a handful of people. And real fighting between the military and Erdogan's loyalists in the security apparatus (explicit, intelligence) has been happening. This kinds of pushes the rest of the military that has been hostile to Erdogan to join the coup, or face a crackdown anyway if his government survives.

Also, the photos I've seen of rallies seem to be kemalist.
 
ls612 said:
Just hearing about this now, it isn't entirely clear how widespread the coup was. Has the military seized control of more than Istanbul and surrounding environs? Does this have legs or will Erdogan remain in power and execute a brutal purge after the events of today?
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What I'm seeing so far, it's really not clear what the situation on the ground is.
 
Situation very unclear. Reports of shooting at Istanbul bridges, Ankara parliament and at some airport. Could start going downhill very quickly.
 
I think that if the coup succeeds, there will be some Kurdish state forming as well, given last time (1922) the turkish army (with Kemal as its head; important given the army is now also kemalist) was given free hand to slaughter them after making them useful in the greek-turkish war, and now this won't be possible.
 
Cutlass said:
What I'm seeing so far, it's really not clear what the situation on the ground is.
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It's clear that Erdogan thinks his loyal forces are out-gunned, otherwise he wouldn't be calling for people to take to the streets, he'd just deal with the coup by force. This does not mean that the bulk of the military is necessarily involved in the coup, only that they refuse to back the government. That itself is important, though, because it is a way of "taking sides" that exposes them to retaliation of the coup fails. Making it more likely that if pushed they'll join the coup.

What is unclear is if his appeal for popular support had any meaningful effect. I'm very skeptical about that. Seems a desperate move. But it is the real uncertain thing about the situation now, and the only that may "save" his government.
 
The_J said:
Twitter says that the intelligence HQ is burning and that there's tank fire near the parliament.
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Seems like Erdogan's armed supporters did try to fight back and went up in flames. Tank fire near parliament does not sound good though...
 
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