Possible coup in Turkey

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Kyriakos said:
I think that if the coup succeeds, there will be some Kurdish state forming as well, given last time (1922) the turkish army (with Kemal as its head; important given the army is now also kemalist) was given free hand to slaughter them after making them useful in the greek-turkish war, and now this won't be possible.
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Don't be ridiculous. The Kurds were okay during all the previous coups, and did try to cecede.

In fact, all major political parties in Turkey - including Kurdish - are condemning the coup.
 
That is obligatory. I also think any kurd groups will take a wait and see stance.

Looking at international news and reactions, I'm now convinced this was organized and carried out by a relatively small group, and word of it didn't get out of the country. Other governments seem to have genuinely been caught off-guard.

I expect that an attempt will be mounted to provide international backing to Erdogan's government. But unless there is some huge popular movement organized overnight within Turkey to back the government, that attempt will fail. Because though the coup organizers may have been relatively small group withing the military, they have now put the rest of the military in a position where they must see it through.

I don't think that there are logistics in place to bring about a pro-Erdogan/anti-coup popular movement in time to "save" his government. Regarding the bombing (?) of the intelligence services HQ: this is the military preempting that move by taking out his supporters within the state apparatus...
 
Some speculate that this is Erdogan's doing to frame the military. No one was killed so far and the supposed military seems to lose control.
 
I think the coup has failed.

Whether they were Erdogan supporters or not, there were too many people opposed to the coup. And the soldiers are not ready to kill their countrymen.

The way is now open for Erdogan to consolidate his power and become even more dictatorial. This was a disaster, no matter which way one looks at it. :(
 
keli said:
Some speculate that this is Erdogan's doing to frame the military. No one was killed so far and the supposed military seems to lose control.
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From what I've seen a lot of reports of soldiers being detained by the police and a couple of minutes ago a report that a a F16 has taken down a plane owned by those involved in the coup (not confirmed yet).
 
Plotter's helicopter shot down by loyal jet over Istanbul according to Sky News..
 
Cheetah said:
I think the coup has failed.

Whether they were Erdogan supporters or not, there were too many people opposed to the coup. And the soldiers are not ready to kill their countrymen.

The way is now open for Erdogan to consolidate his power and become even more dictatorial. This was a disaster, no matter which way one looks at it. :(
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That is a factor, if the people does that to the streets the military won't be able to push this through. But there has been fighting already... a failed coup is not going to produce a stable Turkey, far from it.

I still don't think the military can afford to back away from this, now that they're in. Some soldiers may surrender to loyalist forces, but not all will just surrender. The ones who have reasons to fear retaliation will fight.
 
Cheetah said:
I think the coup has failed.

Whether they were Erdogan supporters or not, there were too many people opposed to the coup. And the soldiers are not ready to kill their countrymen.

The way is now open for Erdogan to consolidate his power and become even more dictatorial. This was a disaster, no matter which way one looks at it. :(
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Unfortunately it seems so.

Reports coming in that the Third Corps general is ordering all of the soldiers to return to their barracks.
 
Hm, so who was the leader of the coup?

Cause afaik they had a (female) reporter read the coup announcement, while 'traditionally' this role is reserved to a kemalist general-type person.

Anyway, more chaos for the chaos god.
 
The question I'm more curious about is why the coup didn't target the man who personified the government it sought to overthrow. One would expect Erdogan to have been the prime target in any attempted coup. Was he really out of the country when it happened?
Possibly he got advanced warning? Or whomever plotted this was incompetent in coup-making?
 
innonimatu said:
The question I'm more curious about is why the coup didn't target the man who personified the government it sought to overthrow. One would expect Erdogan to have been the prime target in any attempted coup. Was he really out of the country when it happened?
Possibly he got advanced warning? Or whomever plotted this was incompetent in coup-making?
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Possibly they were hoping it could be bloodless and quick - no last stands at parliament with the army needing to storm the place as cameras recorded everything.
Avoid images like this after all:
october-crisis-political-background.jpg
 
innonimatu said:
The question I'm more curious about is why the coup didn't target the man who personified the government it sought to overthrow. One would expect Erdogan to have been the prime target in any attempted coup. Was he really out of the country when it happened?
Possibly he got advanced warning? Or whomever plotted this was incompetent in coup-making?
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I hope it wasn't a staged coup, as various people have been claiming. Cause yeah, that is the last thing needed, more fake drumming up for Erdo the sultanic presence.

But it is beyond curious to have a coup with the leader not being known.
 
I'm seeing reports on some international media with pictures of people waving Turkish flags, behind soldiers, and described as being "pro-Erdogan protesters". I would like to believe that media is not attempting to do such a crude manipulation as to lie in those captions. But I suspect they are... the scene itself makes no sense as it is described. Nor does it make sense to publish news that Erdogan is asking for asylum in other countries while the prime-minister is still supposedly in the country and claims control over the situation. Not does it make sense to call for people to take to the streets if there were enough armed forces available to the government to counter the coup.

The reality is that enough time has passed for governments around the world to pick sides, and for disinformation to be produced and hit the media. We'll have to wait to get a clear picture. Turkey is a very important regional player, sides are surely being picked in other countries by now.
 
innonimatu said:
I'm seeing reports on some international media with pictures of people waving Turkish flags, behind soldiers, and described as being "pro-Erdogan protesters". I would like to believe that media is not attempting to do such a crude manipulation as to lie in those captions. But I suspect they are... the scene itself makes no sense as it is described. Nor does it make sense to publish news that Erdogan is asking for asylum in other countries while the prime-minister is still supposedly in the country and claims control over the situation. Not does it make sense to call for people to take to the streets if there were enough armed forces available to the government to counter the coup.

The reality is that enough time has passed for governments around the world to pick sides, and for disinformation to be produced and hit the media. We'll have to wait to get a clear picture. Turkey is a very important regional player, sides are surely being picked in other countries by now.
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A lot of images I've seen don't make any sense just as you've described.

Reports of a lot of gunfire everywhere in Ankara, found a video of missile hitting a building:

https://twitter.com/thevocaleurope/status/754093931021893634?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
 
muhtesem insan said:
they just shot Parliament
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So the coup is still ongoing.

The only way is it going to be stopped is by superior force being brought against it, it seems. The ones carrying it out are too deep in to back down.

Is an important portion of the military willing to fight for the government? We read reports of a government jet shooting down an helicopter. The military has openly split? This talk of "government jet" is also strange, because the initial reports were that military jets were flying over Istanbul and Ankara just as the coup started - presumably on the "rebel" side. Where are those jets now, while "government jets" are on the air? Another piece of news I cannot take seriously until confirmed.

The cynical in me suspects this is more than a coup against a government, it is a coup against Turkey's recent international alignment, and ties into its intervention in Syrian and the fallout from it: both the rising tensions with the kurds and the terrorist attacks within Turkey. The US government was caught by surprise but must now be doing all it can to protect its ally Erdogan. And it can do a lot in terms of planting news pieces with the international media. But not much in terms of direct intervention if it was caught by surprise. The most classical way to use information in these situations is to demoralize one side. So we'll see news that the coup failed - and we can't know for sure now whether they're true, or have been planted to attempt to change the facts on the ground by making the supporters and participants in the coup give it up. Politics... its' complicated.
 
Looks like already tens of killed by now. Police HQ in Ankara reportedly on fire, explosion in parliament building (probably tank shell or airbomb).
USA expressed support of Erdogan government.
 
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