Post-War Iraq Thread

Originally posted by RedWolf
I saw yesterday on CNN an interesting poll.

"Do you think that the anti-war side was right or wrong?"

65% of responses said right and although I don't believe that CNN polls are completely scientific (and the question is somewhat vague) this result confused me.

I had always believed that Americans overwhelmingly supported the war now that it's over and things went "fairly well".

Any ideas?
I just spent 10 minutes scouring CNN & polling sites for this one, can't find it. Think you can provide a source?

Closest I could find that you may have seen and misread in the news-ticker was this http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=370
 
Originally posted by Greadius
I just spent 10 minutes scouring CNN & polling sites for this one, can't find it. Think you can provide a source?

Closest I could find that you may have seen and misread in the news-ticker was this http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=370

I actually just saw it on CNN on TV... I even went on the web site and checked to see if they had an "update" that same day but apparently the online poll was different than the one that CNN was doing on the air...

It wasn't even just a ticker.. it was somebody like Lou Dobbs actually saying "And the results of todays CNN poll IS...." and then showing the spiffy little graph and everything. :)

Sorry - I'd povide proof if I could.
 
Originally posted by Greadius
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

Here are the transcripts for all of CNN programs, including Moneyline. I already searched it and found only one mention of a poll that found very different results (80% in favor of handling post war Iraq).

Maybe it wasn't Lou Dobbs?

I don't KNOW that it was Lou Dobbs.

All I know that it was DEFINITELY CNN... it was definitely on within the last 3 days and the question was absolutely
"Do you think that the anti-war crowd was right?"

And the "yes" score 65%

I'm not using this poll to prove an anti-war point. In fact the whole reason I wanted to discuss it is because the results seemed "off" to me. Not what I believe(d) to be the opinion of the American population at all.
 
Originally posted by Greadius
Which is exactly why I want to find it :)

Sorry if I was getting defensive. :)

I thought you were trying to "get me going". I was a little offended because I genuinely wasn't trying to use this to further my agenda. :)
 
Ironically, this time around, you could think the "anti war protesters were right" and still be in favor of the war and its outcome. I've said it before, I'm VERY glad to see most of the world was against starting another WAR. I'm also very happy Saddam is gone and the Iraqis might get a chance to vote for more than one candidate they don't want instead of just one.
 
Originally posted by Antonius Block
Ironically, this time around, you could think the "anti war protesters were right" and still be in favor of the war and its outcome. I've said it before, I'm VERY glad to see most of the world was against starting another WAR. I'm also very happy Saddam is gone and the Iraqis might get a chance to vote for more than one candidate they don't want instead of just one.

Its going to be really sad if after the Iraqi's have a chance for a democracy, elected leaders, representation, that for some reason Iraq is turned into an Islamic state
 
Like the reason of, they vote for such. Of course that is why is we have to rig the initial contestants to make sure that the "Death to America" party doesn't get in power. It's an unbelievably tough proposal, one of the reasons people were skeptical about going in in the first place. Of course, even if we were "dictating" terms, I think there would be slightly less torture than under Saddam.
 
I really believe that at this very moment Saddam is... a sloppy, gooey mess of organic slime spread all throughout a large blast crater. Only question is... WHICH crater, in Iraq... is he in? Time will tell...
[phaser]
 
‘I would like to inform the party’

Associated Press


Baghdad — The file drawers fill room after room, papers spilling out.

Inside, recorded with chilling bureaucratic detail, are the informants’ reports, court records, confessions and execution orders for thousands of Iraqi dissidents.

The government files, shown Thursday to Associated Press, could be the basis for Iraqis to begin to come to terms with their past — or could be the catalyst for a new wave of bloodletting.

“Saddam Hussein kept these files because he thought he would rule forever,” said a dissident who was imprisoned, Ibrahim al-Idrissi. “He is a terrorist, the No. 1 terrorist in the world.”

The files have been collected over the past two weeks by the Committee of Free Prisoners, a group of Iraqis who had been arrested for dissident activities but were freed. The files chronicle the cases of thousands of prisoners who never made it out.

The files were maintained by the General Security Directorate, Iraq’s equivalent of the FBI or the RCMP.

Mr. al-Idrissi refused to say exactly how they were obtained, but his colleague, Satar Jabar Mohsen, said some were discovered in a room inside the al-Mansour shopping centre; others were taken from private businesses and homes.

The covers of the files, many held together by yellowing tape, list names, professions, birth dates, birthplaces and charges. Inside are documents related to their cases.

One has the name of Abed Gheilan Chelab, born 1949 in the southern city of Nasiriyah and charged with being a member of an outlawed Iraqi Shia group, the al-Dawa Party, backed by Iran.

The file begins with an order from the General Security Directorate to security offices around Iraq to keep an eye on Mr. Chelab. Then comes the report of an investigation, and a record of his arrest.

That is followed by a confession from Mr. Chelab — affirming that he was a member of al-Dawa — and an order signed by the Directorate of Nasiriya Security for his execution.

Finally, there is a document from the same directorate, confirming that Abed Gheilan Chelab was put to death at 9 a.m. on Dec. 10, 1984, at a Basra military camp. The method, it said, was a gunshot.

Amid the files there are also photographs, including before-and-after snapshots of torture victims.

One man is shown in a long beard in what appeared to be a booking photo. Another picture in the file shows the same man, his left arm cut off just below the shoulder, his ribs exposed where the skin over his chest had been seared off.

Mr. Mohsen said the man had been tortured with electric shocks and mutilated.

Members of the Committee of Free Prisoners said they were not permitting the public to see the files yet, for fear that they would inspire revenge against informants. Guards with Kalashnikov rifles watch the building where the files are kept.

Many folders include reports by members of Mr. Hussein’s Baath Party informing on friends or neighbours — including one by a man, accused of being a member of the Communist Party, who days earlier had told his Baath Party office that a relative of his was talking to the communists.

Committee members said the files eventually should be made public so Iraqis can come to terms with their past.

“We are trying to save the information on a computer so we can publish it to the public,” Mr. Mohsen said. “Many Iraqis are concerned about the fate of their loved ones.”

Those fates are spelled out in cold detail. One folder lists 1,923 names, all of whom it said confessed to membership in al-Dawa.

Attached is a judge’s order that they be handled under Article 156 — the Iraqi law providing for the death penalty.

Another folder contains an order to banks and state offices, directing that all assets and property of the 74 people listed be turned over to the government. It says they had been executed — no reason given.

Many of the folders contain the kind of banal information that indicates just how much detail many Iraqis felt compelled to provide to the government.

One report by a Baath Party member begins: “I would like to inform the party ...” It goes on to recount that he visited his brother-in-law, who went out to buy cement. He went to look for him after a while and found him in the house of the man who sells cement.

“They asked why I came,” he wrote. “I said, ‘I’m looking for my brother-in-law.”’

The files fill room after room in the riverside house that once belonged to one of Mr. Hussein’s bodyguards in central Baghdad. Committee members who have taken over the house said there are more files in the basement.

They have not really begun examining the files yet, something that could take a commission years to do.

And Mr. Mohsen indicated that there was even more.

“We have computer CDs too, but we haven’t looked at them yet,” he said.
 
I would suggest that the US look for Saddam after[\B] the reconstruction is done.
 
Originally posted by SunTzu


Its going to be really sad if after the Iraqi's have a chance for a democracy, elected leaders, representation, that for some reason Iraq is turned into an Islamic state

Man, you hide your bigitry very well. But anyway, Saddam is probably in the Phillipeans with Osama discusting how to get even with America. And he has way more than 25 billion.
 
Originally posted by TheTruth
Saddam is probably in the Phillipeans with Osama discusting how to get even with America. And he has way more than 25 billion.

They could build a secret hideout, and plot sinister schemes, and Saddam could grow a wicked long beard and stroke white kittens, too.

Or maybe Saddam's just trying to figure how to pull his money from Woman's Day magazine before the US seizes that to defray war expenses.
 
Originally posted by TheTruth


Man, you hide your bigitry very well...


Theocracies are bigoted, not Sun Tzu's statement that it would be sad if Iraq turned into one.
 
Originally posted by Immortal
most likely syria. If those fools dont turn him over, noone can be held responsible for what happens to them.

I don't think he is in Syria.

And if any nation attacks, they are responsible.

Quite simple when you put your mind to it.
 
Originally posted by SunTzu
Yes i have heard that on the black market stolen i mean missing russian nukes can be bought for like 25 million or something.

Is that all?

I think I'll get one for myself! :D
 
I wonder when we will see the first terror attack using WMD? Sooner or later, if ABC weapons are so plentiful, some terrorist group must must become smart enough to use them
 
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