Prayer fails to save diabetic girl

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This girls died of a diabetic coma because her parents thought that prayers were more effective then doctors.

I'll just quote interesting parts of the article... :

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The Neumann family has ties to the "Unleavened Bread Minstries," a little-known church that shuns modern medicine in favor of prayer. A statement posted on the organization's Web site by the founder, David Eells, says the Neumanns "contacted one of our elders to ask that I call them to pray for their daughter. That elder got in touch with me Saturday evening and I called the Neumanns."

Eells also wrote that the Neumanns have posted testimonials on their Web site but are not "'under' our minstry."

Eells does say his church does not believe in the the medical intervention.

"We are not commanded in scripture to send people to the doctor but to meet their needs through prayer and faith. As anyone here in the ministry will tell you, we are not against doctors for those who have their faith there and never condemn or restrict them in any way," Eells writes. "But we know that the best one to trust in for healing is Jesus Christ. The foundation for receiving this benefit from Him is repentance and faith in His promises."
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But authorities believe the girl, who was enrolled in a local public school until last spring and this fall has been homeschooled, was likely ill for several days, perhaps longer, before her death Sunday.

In the interview, Leilani Neumann said that she is not worried about the police investigation because her family's lives are "in God's hands" and they know that they did the best thing for their daughter that they knew how to do.
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In one chapter of his book "Sovereign God for Us and Through Us," Eells writes about the need to rely on God to face corporal sickness. "We cannot get anyone out from under a curse except through the Gospel," Eells wrote. "Sometimes God is merciful, but we cannot guarantee God's deliverance to those who do not walk under the blood."

The Unleavened Bread Minstries is not the only church to attract the attention of law enforcement in connection with members refusing medical help.

The Christian Science church is one of the largest and perhaps best-known churches to favor divine spiritual healing over medicine. The church generally considers sickness as the result of fear or sin and looks down upon drugs and surgery. Still, the Christian Science church does not literally forbid church members from seeking medical attention.

Isn't this going to far? These parents indirectly killed their daughter and have no remorse whatsoever because of their blind faith. Should their be criminal charges?
And please, US fellows, tell me that this kind of behavior is a rare exception amongst Christian fundies..
 
James Hetfields (from Metallica) mother died for the same reason. See Lyrics to "the god that failed"

Pride you took
Pride you feel
Pride that you felt when youd kneel

Not the word
Not the love
Not what you thought from above

It feeds
It grows
It clouds all that you will know
Deceit
Deceive
Decide just what you believe

I see faith in your eyes
Never your hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the God that failed

Find your peace
Find your say
Find the smooth road in your way

Trust you gave
A child to save
Left you cold and him in grave

It feeds
It grows
It clouds all that you will know
Deceit
Deceive
Decide just what you believe

I see faith in your eyes
Never you hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the God that failed

I see faith in your eyes
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

Follow the God that failed

Pride you took
Pride you feel
Pride that you felt when youd kneel

Trust you gave
A child to save
Left you cold and him in grave

I see faith in your eyes
Never you hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by deepened nail

Follow the God that failed
 
It is not legal in the US to abuse or neglect your children under the auspices of religion.

The parents are being charged with homocide.
 
Except for it to be darwinism it should have stricken the parents, and not the girl, who was probably in no state to help herself :(
 
That is insane. Those parents are murderers. Yet another dead because of lack of common sense due to fanaticism.
 
Diabetic, eh? They should have studied nutrition instead of religion (unless it was type I diabetes which is incurable). Poor fools.
 
These damn muslims and their dark age practices... erm... wait a minute...
 
"We are not commanded in scripture to send people to the doctor but to meet their needs through prayer and faith. As anyone here in the ministry will tell you, we are not against doctors for those who have their faith there and never condemn or restrict them in any way," Eells writes. "But we know that the best one to trust in for healing is Jesus Christ. The foundation for receiving this benefit from Him is repentance and faith in His promises."
They aren't commanded to kill them either.

I'm 99.98% sure that it was type I as she wasn't exactly obese in that picture.
 
Well, they should have given her damned insulin then. What were they waiting for, God to do it?

Yes, that's it exactly.

Cue the old joke that ends with "What the hell's wrong with you, I sent three boats and a helicopter!"

Except this is not a joke.

There are others who are more intimately familiar with Christian thought than myself, but from my perspective on the sidelines it appears that these people are not only guilty of at least one or two mortal sins (I am thinking of Pride and Sloth, mainly) but have managed to twist themselves into regarding said sins as virtues.
 
Yes, that's it exactly.

Cue the old joke that ends with "What the hell's wrong with you, I sent three boats and a helicopter!"

Except this is not a joke.

There are others who are more intimately familiar with Christian thought than myself, but from my perspective on the sidelines it appears that these people are not only guilty of at least one or two mortal sins (I am thinking of Pride and Sloth, mainly) but have managed to twist themselves into regarding said sins as virtues.
QFT (I presume, if it really means "quoted for truth" and not something else)

That's exact. Except that it's not sloth, it's just plain ********.
 
This girls died of a diabetic coma because her parents thought that prayers were more effective then doctors.

I'll just quote interesting parts of the article... :

link



Isn't this going to far? These parents indirectly killed their daughter and have no remorse whatsoever because of their blind faith. Should their be criminal charges?
And please, US fellows, tell me that this kind of behavior is a rare exception amongst Christian fundies..
There shouldn't be criminal charges against passively causing someone's death. I would say that what they did was wrong though, and they are bad parents. It would be nice if they could just learn from their mistake. However I can't see them being charged, which unfortunately means they may well think that god has chosen that what they did was right and that he has let them off.
 
Starworms you can pissively cause a childs death by not feeding it. that equated to what they did.
 
They are? Got a link?

From what I read, they're being investigated. If case history is anything, they will be charged. This isn't the first time a parent let their child die in the name of God.

Freedom of Religion doesn't extend to harming others. If the child herself had made the choice (and had been a bit older, as to be legally able to make such a choice) I'd be okay with that. This isn't such a situation. This was negligent homicide.
 
And please, US fellows, tell me that this kind of behavior is a rare exception amongst Christian fundies..
It is rare no matter what. God gave the physicians the talent to heal people, so I see it as a slap in the face of God to refuse to use a physician when one is ill and rather rely solely on prayer.
 
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