Toltec
Dragon Tamer
I wouldn't mind sharing. How would we organise it though?
Pre-ChaNES: Into the Void
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Fuschia
A Little Odd
UN Resolution, brought to the floor of the General Assembly by Indonesia:
The General Assembly,
Realizing that one purpose of the United Nations is to promote development and equality among nations,
Recognizing the necessity of developing nations access to large export markets to fund their development,
Also recognizing that the most successful methods of improving the living conditions of "oppressed and endangered people" is the giving of aid,
Expressing concern over harm done to the development and stability of Indonesia due to the trade embargo placed upon it by the United States of America,
1. Condemns the trade embargo of the United States of America against the Republic of Indonesia as damaging to the purposes of the United Nations,
2. Proposes economic sanctions be placed upon the United States of America until such a time as its actions reflect more positively upon the purposes of the United Nations.
OOC: Obviously, this will never pass the Security Council because of the veto power of the United States. But, then again, things can be done without it being passed...
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To: All IISP Nations
From: Indonesia
Indonesia has recently been suffering under a trade embargo imposed upon it by the bastard son of Europe, the United States of America. Indonesia recognizes that the most likely reason for this embargo being imposed is Indonesia's attempt to avoid conflict between nations in the space race, something that the United States of America strongly opposed, and this is even more strongly supported by the United States of America's recent military-grade space shuttle.
Seeing this trade embargo as the United States of America's attempt to, once again, enforce its imperialistic rule over the nations of Islam, Indonesia proposes that the IISP present a united front against these imperialist tendencies, both on Earth and in the process of colonization.
To this end, Indonesia proposes that the nations of the IISP impose economic sanctions upon the United States of America for its attempted domination of both space colonization and Earth itself. While this may seem a token gesture, we represent a large portion of OPEC, and the resources that the United States imports from our nations represent a sizable chunk of their economic prowess.
Indonesia cannot hold off the forces of American Imperialism by itself; it needs the support of its fellow Islamic nations, especially those of the IISP. We urge you to consider this letter and its contents, as its proposal is in the eventual best interest of all the nations of the world.
The General Assembly,
Realizing that one purpose of the United Nations is to promote development and equality among nations,
Recognizing the necessity of developing nations access to large export markets to fund their development,
Also recognizing that the most successful methods of improving the living conditions of "oppressed and endangered people" is the giving of aid,
Expressing concern over harm done to the development and stability of Indonesia due to the trade embargo placed upon it by the United States of America,
1. Condemns the trade embargo of the United States of America against the Republic of Indonesia as damaging to the purposes of the United Nations,
2. Proposes economic sanctions be placed upon the United States of America until such a time as its actions reflect more positively upon the purposes of the United Nations.
OOC: Obviously, this will never pass the Security Council because of the veto power of the United States. But, then again, things can be done without it being passed...
--
To: All IISP Nations
From: Indonesia
Indonesia has recently been suffering under a trade embargo imposed upon it by the bastard son of Europe, the United States of America. Indonesia recognizes that the most likely reason for this embargo being imposed is Indonesia's attempt to avoid conflict between nations in the space race, something that the United States of America strongly opposed, and this is even more strongly supported by the United States of America's recent military-grade space shuttle.
Seeing this trade embargo as the United States of America's attempt to, once again, enforce its imperialistic rule over the nations of Islam, Indonesia proposes that the IISP present a united front against these imperialist tendencies, both on Earth and in the process of colonization.
To this end, Indonesia proposes that the nations of the IISP impose economic sanctions upon the United States of America for its attempted domination of both space colonization and Earth itself. While this may seem a token gesture, we represent a large portion of OPEC, and the resources that the United States imports from our nations represent a sizable chunk of their economic prowess.
Indonesia cannot hold off the forces of American Imperialism by itself; it needs the support of its fellow Islamic nations, especially those of the IISP. We urge you to consider this letter and its contents, as its proposal is in the eventual best interest of all the nations of the world.
Shadowbound
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I'll let Toltec have the first, like I said, and bombard you with ideas for Destroyers and colonization strategy so that you don't forget about me.
Oil is probably meaningless now, given that shortages and continued development would necessitate new technologies. Europe, if my description is correctly recalled, is powered mostly by fusion, and various renewable energy sources (hydro, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, etc), and most mobile technology would be powered by advanced and rechargeable Hydrogen Cells.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Though the importance of oil to the United States has declined significantly over the past few decades, Indonesia's diplomatic clout and the actions of the United States are enough to elicit a fairly positive mixed response from the countries in question. Most of the countries of the IISP could probably be pursuaded to follow through with sanctions.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Oh, and before I forget, Toltec can certainly be the EU's governor of Infinitas, if no earlier reservees claim it.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
That is what I was hoping for. Regardless of the importance of oil, some of these nations do export or import plenty from America, and I am sure some other nations may follow suit once I get enough support from the IISP. Besides, Indonesia will be pressing for the demilitarization of space as soon as possible, and America seems to be the only nation set on trying to fight in space at the moment. A host of trade embargos/economic sanctions might be enough to change their minds...
Symphony D.
Deity
Intrude: "Man has killed man from the beginning of time, and each new frontier has brought new ways and new places to die. Why should the future be different?"Besides, Indonesia will be pressing for the demilitarization of space as soon as possible, and America seems to be the only nation set on trying to fight in space at the moment. A host of trade embargos/economic sanctions might be enough to change their minds...
Also, they might just focus on trade with other countries that eliminate the need for you (like Europe) and your economies will suffer too, since you need those exports, while America can import from elsewhere.
Energy blackmail is historically regarded poorly...Anyway it's kind of moot, as by now (2075), most OPEC countries will be bone-dry on crude oil. America meanwhile, has somewhere around half of the world's oil shale deposits (a few trillion barrels worth, though only a fraction is reachable at current (2008) estimations). Although not currently (2008) economically exploitable, with the depletion of crude oil and advances in technology, it will by the present time (2075) be more than enough to power America's energy needs domestically. That's ignoring coal (at current (2008) usage levels there's enough left for something like 500 years of energy production, and clean coal technologies are progressing decently well today (2008)), gas hydrates (large pockets of which are off the East Coast, and America effectively controls a large percentage of the Pacific), biodiesel (which America is admittedly not likely to be a huge producer of), and artificial petroleum products (for example, the USAF is currently field testing synthetic jet fuel and transitioning its forces over to it). This is also ignoring oil-plastic reprocessing technology (today, in 2008, we have the capability to turn almost any plastic back into oil), and alternative fuels (renewables, atomic, nuclear, microwave transmission, so on).
There is no reason at all, realistically, for the United States to be energy dependent on anybody at this stage. In fact, I would be willing to estimate it would be a net energy-exporter. The tables will have been turned.
Toltec
Dragon Tamer
I can't see anyone else claiming. What do you expect from me in the way of orders?
Chandrasekhar
Determined
To this I will also add that space warfare is almost too interesting a subject to gloss over in this NES.
While I'd never be so heavy-handed as to expicitly forbid a treaty demilitarizing space, it's also this GM's humble opinion that such a treaty wouldn't last too long. But on the other hand, perhaps trade pressures could be used as leverage to enforce such a treaty - It really remains to be seen, I suppose.Symphony D. said:Also, they might just focus on trade with other countries that eliminate the need for you (like Europe) and your economies will suffer too, since you need those exports, while America can import from elsewhere.
Yeah, it seems likely that an embargo would hurt the IISP nations more than it would the US, especially considering that the Middle Eastern stranglehold on oil is nonexistant, but that doesn't mean that they can't try.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
I seriously doubt it will hurt the economies of the majority of IISP nations, as they have historically exported very little but oil to the United States, and that, as you have pointed out, has dried up. The embargo will, mostly, hurt the United States from international opinion and a possible lack of export markets because of the world's third most populous nation boycotting them(although with China I doubt this would happen).
I realize that it might have no effect, but it is symbolic and important to Indonesia. The damage on anyone's economy will likely be minimal unless the IISP were to get China, India, and the EU to help with the embargo, which will never happen.
You mistake Indonesia's efforts at an attempted demilitarization of space as efforts to forever demilitarize space. We know that 1) we cannot compete with the U.S.A at this point if the competition were to become violent and 2) this is an important bargaining tool, as it helps us in negotiating with other Muslim nations to point out the imperialistic and militaristic tendencies of western powers.
I hope that makes sense...
Symphony D.
Deity
As a roundabout way of saying you'd have done it first if you could have, but the damned Americans did it instead, yes.We know that 1) we cannot compete with the U.S.A at this point if the competition were to become violent and 2) this is an important bargaining tool, as it helps us in negotiating with other Muslim nations to point out the imperialistic and militaristic tendencies of western powers.
I hope that makes sense...
Anyway, since I'm here, two things:
- Shame on you, Chandrasekhar, for titling the game thusly and then not bothering to make or use any references to or from the excellent Black Sabbath song. I meant to criticize you on this earlier, but forgot.
- I would be willing to take up an American colonial position on the fulfillment of one of two conditions: if Neptune or Uranus is colonized, or when the minimum of a green system is colonized, by the United States.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
Sort of. More like "we can't possible compete at the moment so instead we'll patronize!"
Chandrasekhar
Determined
- Shame on you, Chandrasekhar, for titling the game thusly and then not bothering to make or use any references to or from the excellent Black Sabbath song. I meant to criticize you on this earlier, but forgot.
For the record, I actually didn't know that "Into the Void" had anything to do with Black Sabbath until I ran it through a search engine to make sure the name wasn't associated with a late 80's bestial porn flick or something. After I found the song, I decided to keep that name for my NES despite that association, not because of it. So there. I'm very glad to hear it. I'll probably have governors assigned on a system-by-system basis, but I'm sure that no one will object to you taking the first Green colony founded by the US.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Sorry, I missed this post earlier. Essentially, something rather like BT orders in a standard NES. What you focus on in your colony, how you act towards your parent nation, how you act towards the other colonies on the planet, perhaps any colonization efforts of other planets in the system. Anything else you think is appropriate, too.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
And for the triple post, would you be interested in being the governor of American or Chinese Infinitas?
Haseri
Emperor
Hey, what about me as a governor?
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Since you've posted to show that you're still alive, I'd be glad to have you as a governor starting this turn as well.
I'd suggest either American Infinitas or Chinese Infinitas.
Haseri
Emperor
Hmm. Head Serf, can I be a governor to one of your colonies?
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