Pre-SINES V-Ruleset, map, and stats

-Is that capital Würzburg?

Fulda seems more like it.

-The rulers are of the House of Leiningen, correct?

Yes.

-When'd they put in the Kiel Canal, and why?

1864, for the sake of easier transit. Also, in avoidance of crazy Danes.

-Would you mind doing a brief recap of the HRE's history (emphasis on political natch) from the divergence? (I know some of the basics, mostly centering on Alexander's war of conquest, and I remember stuff from the two question sessions in the Alternate History threads, but much of the earlier part of the second millennium is still blank.) Sort of like what you did with Azale and Chernigov.

EDIT: Forgot to add something in here. :p

The HRE is much harder to summarise than Chernigov. Still, I guess I could do a really basic rundown.

There were no Hohenstauffens and the HRE began to disintegrate earlier but slower and less spectacularly. The Imperial crown in the 13th-15th centuries passed back and forth between different dynasties; some major ones, like the Wittelsbachs or the von Hollands, still emerged to gain great power and prestige, but none managed to consolidate their power properly, and all were prone to infighting, as was the Empire itself. Meanwhile, from the 14th century on, the religiously-coloured wars with France made life more and more difficult for the HRE's lesser principalities. The southwestern statelets eventually formed the League of Stuttgart to counter the French; the House of Leiningen emerged as the leader of the League, and has used its subsequent martial successes for political leverage. In the early 16th century, the Leiningens finally gained the throne; at first they didn't seem much more tenacious than their predecessors, but they were able to use dynastic marriages and political manipulation to build up an impressive power base and keep everyone else either irrelevant or on their side. It took some doing and a serious civil war, but by the 17th century the Holy Roman Empire was hereditary, recentralised and ready to fight various Slavs, Italians, Hungarians and Egyptians in addition to their usual repertoire of Frenchmen and Danes (the latter having used the earlier turmoil to expand into northern Germany before getting thrown out of there in the 16th century). The rest you probably already know.

-What's the HRE's political structure, i.e. how decentralized (anything like the old Circles?), is the succession officially hereditary or elective, that sort of thing.

It is actually rather similar to the Second Reich, though slightly less centralised. And the succession is hereditary.

-What cultural minorities exist within the HRE, where, what religions do they follow, and how well have they been assimilated?

Firstly, the Jews (who are present in considerable numbers (largest concentration in the world, and bigger than in OTL due to refugees from France and such) and are only partly assimilated) are practicing various kinds of Judaism, but virtually everyone is Roman Catholic with differing degrees of devotion and often fairly divergent beliefs and practices. Apart from some Italian and Polish minorities and the semi-assimilated Czechs, most of the population is what is called German (for a somewhat broader definition than in OTL); note, however, that there is some extreme cultural regionalism, especially in Bavaria, Frisia, Alsace and Prussia. And ofcourse there are assorted natives in colonies, including Livonia; degrees of assimilation may vary wildly.

-Are there any irredentist claims that the HRE has or particular rivalries with other powers?

Not that much in the way of irredentism, though possibly some with regards to Italy. As to particular rivalries, France is the rival of anyone within reach, Denmark is incredibly annoying and the HRE fought Tver for centuries over the eastern lands.

-How did the colonization of the Orinoco territory (and Belize, I guess, but that's not as important) happen - how did the HRE acquire it, what are the social strata in the colony, how profitable is it, and how stable is the political situation there (any independence movements or native problems?)?

Back in the 16th century, the Imperial merchants first established themselves in the area (and in some other places too). It was only in the late 17th-early 18th centuries that these outposts and lesser colonies were turned into a proper Imperial Colony, expanding into the inlands. The population is mostly German and Jewish; natives are mostly insignificant by now. It is mostly an average settler colony, and is moderately profitable. For now the population is mostly content with the considerable self-government it has been granted thus far.

-What major economic concerns does the HRE have in other countries, what countries, and of what import to the economy?

It has a considerable economic presence in Poland, Hungary, Croatia and Serbo-Romea, and less in various other areas, such as foreign colonies; and trade is ofcourse of great import for the economy, though not as much as one might expect. Also, there was a major recent economical crisis, so...

-What are the status of those Hungarian, Illyrian, and Polish states and their relations to the HRE - puppets or something?

Poland was traditionally a puppet or even a part of the HRE; it has relatively recently broken away and has been trying to retain its independence, though ultimately backing down from its attempts to make an alliance with Tver. The status is uncertain.

Hungary has an unpopular Imperial puppet government.

Croatia is independent, but definitely pro-Imperial in allegiance and foreign policy.

-Why didn't the Swiss ever pop up (or if they did, why were they reabsorbed into the HRE)?

The Forest Cantons never did rise up because they never lost their privileges in the first place (well, subsequently all those things had gone through a revision, but that was later). They remained just another part of the HRE, as far as we are concerned.

-How well militarized is the HRE (i.e. size of army per capita and how well it has performed in recent years), how modern is their amry, and who controls it within the political structure of the empire?

The HRE has a very large and well-trained, mostly modern army, controlled by the Holy Roman Emperor and his General Staff.

-How about their navy - has it been fairly well developed and modernized, what is its size, and who has control of the navy?

The navy is pretty middling in most regards, though it is relatively modern. It is under the same general military command, though it is not integrated with the army.

-Are the colonies and outposts in Africa and South America primarily military outposts for use by the navy, trade posts, or some other form of colony (see the previous discussion on colonies in a certain other thread)?

Orinoco aside, colonies are trade outposts and coaling stations.

-What events have happened most recently in the HRE - any political shocks or anarchism or conflicts with other countries?

A major "shock", to say the least, has occurred some three-two decades ago, when, after the death of the Kaiser, a series of nationalist uprisings led to the independence of Poland and Italy despite the Imperial military's best efforts. Subsequent reform efforts were undermined and partly derailed by the growth of a worker's movement, which was partly thwarted by social reforms.

-Do socialist or communist (or Egalitist :p) groups exist within the HRE, and how are they treated by the government and the populace at large?

Arbeitist, yes. Their influence is waning, and the more radical ones are illegal; others are grudgingly tolerated.
 
I'm going to lodge a pro forma protest as to the fact that Fulda is the capital, because that place sucks. Last time I was there was during REFORGER 1991, back when that place was supposed to be the main route through the southern IGB for the good old Red Army and when the Blackhorse Cav was considered a speed bump. Props for Würzburg - we've got an archbishopric after all! :p

silver, how about making the mobilization rules clearer? I'm not sure why the reserves have to be the square root of the standing army (the proportion should be probably between 2 reserves:1 regular and 3:1), and I'm also not sure how much money needs to be spent to mobilize x reserve units.

I also don't recall seeing tanks or an air force in the technological overview by das back in the day, though I could be wrong. Would you mind going over the tech standards for Europe and the rest of the technologically advanced world, please? With that in mind, these are clearly tentative stats.

Holy Roman Empire [of the German Nation]
Capital: Fulda
Ruler: ?/Dachspmg
Government: Federative Empire (Efficient)
Culture: Mostly German with some regional particularism, especially in Bavaria, Alsace, Prussia, and Frisia, with a large semi-assimilated Czech minority and minor Italian and Polish populations; mostly Roman Catholic, but with a large Jewish minority; contains a somewhat unassimilated native population in Livonia. Significant urbanization, especially in the Rhine valley, but with a majority of the populace still living rurally.
Technology level: [to be entered when tech. levels are decided]
Technology description: Special emphasis on chemistry and steam-powered transportation, as well as significant development of artillery.
Army: 60 divisions
Army Level: 8
Army Description: Competently led and organized by a general staff, the Imperial army is one of the largest and best trained in the world. Some emphasis has been placed on artillery in recent years, but not to the overwhelming detriment of mobility. A sizable cavalry corps also exists, with colorful units such as the Uhlans and hussars exemplifying the diversity of lands under Imperial control.
Navy: 25 squadrons
Navy level: 5
Navy Description: While clearly the little brother of the army, the Imperial navy does enjoy professional leadership and is fairly modernized. In training and numbers it is middling for a European power.
Air force: [TBD]
Air force level: [TBD]
Air force description: [TBD]
Military Upkeep: 5
Economy (Base/Trade/Total/Banked): 15/7/22/0
Land Area: 4
Infrastructure: Efficient
Population Level: 5
Education: Well Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): Imperial Orinoco (3/2/7 divisions/Respecting)
Nation Background: The Holy Roman Empire has been a dominant force in Central Europe for the past millennium. For much of its early history, the Empire was a disparate collection of states, governed by transient dynasties that never mustered the power to hold Germany in its entirety for long. Out of the House of Leiningen's dominance over southwestern Germany rose the powerhouse that would eventually seize control of the nearly defunct HRE and centralize it, successfully fighting off enemies from all points of the compass. A golden age in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries was capped by Karl V's successful war with Alexander of Egypt, although after the the Empire began to stumble somewhat again. The outcome of the Fifty Years' War in the eighteenth century was inconclusive at best, and the 1870s and 1880s saw nationalist rebellions all over the Imperial periphery combined with an Arbeitist-led social insurrection closer to home, although lately the Empire has begun to flex its muscle again, with interventions in the Balkans culminating in the destruction of Hungary as a major power. The HRE is ringed by rivals; Italy is irredentist, France is opposed to basically everyone else in the world anyway, Tver shows signs of breaking through the cordon sanitaire in Eastern Europe, and the Danes are getting frisky as well. Social problems associated with industrialization are also being held at bay, if temporarily.
 
Stat for Oklahoma (Please tell me if I am crazy off):

Nation Name: Oklahoma
Capital: Ohlahoma City
Ruler: James Huckabee
Government: Conservatists Party
Culture: Oklahoma is fairly based on agriculture. It’s also a fairly new nation, having gotten their independence a few years ago. It has medium relations to the Mexicans to the south, and acceptable relations with Northerners.
Technology level: 6
Technology description: Not as modernized compared to the European Nations. However, it’s got a relatively good technology compared to Mexico.
Army: 15 infantry divisions
Army Level: 7
Army Description: Though nothing on European powers, their army is actually well trained, when compared to the other nations. To compensate for the good training, though, they’ve had to keep a small army.
Navy: Land Locked
Navy level: Land Locked
Navy Description: They would have had a navy had Oklahoma not been surrounded by other nations
Air force: None
Air force level: None
Air force description: None
Military Upkeep: 3
Economy (Base//Trade/Total/Banked): 5/2/7/2
Land Area: 2
Infrastructure: Efficient
Population Level: 2
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): None
Nation Background: Oklahoma is a relatively small power, if a power at all. It has huge potential for growth, providing they can find or buy more land. Oklahoma is mostly agriculture based, and they are severly dependent on that. If anything happened to it, their economy would be destroyed. Even though they need land, they have to be careful of their southern neighbor, Mexico, and their northern neighbor, The States.
 
Even though they need land, they have to be careful of their southern neighbor, Mexico, and their northern neighbor, The States.
...I am sure you mean Portugal and New Albion there. :p
 
(Please tell me if I am crazy off):

sp1023, Oklahoma is a Native American confederacy; its relations with Portugal were never clearly formulated, but Albion is more or less an ally. And it has been around for decades now; the population still is too low to warrant any major expansion. Lastly, that's not what you are supposed to put under "Government"; it means the political system, not the ruling party.
 
Nation Name: Oklahoma
Capital: Oklahoma City
Ruler: Standing Bison
Government: Tribal Council
Culture: Oklahoma is fairly based on agriculture. It’s also a fairly new nation, having gotten their independence a few years ago. It has medium relations to the Mexicans to the south, and acceptable relations with Northerners.
Technology level: 6
Technology description: Not as modernized compared to the European Nations. However, it’s got a relatively good technology compared to New Albion.
Army: 15 infantry divisions
Army Level: 7
Army Description: Though nothing on European powers, their army is actually well trained, when compared to the other nations. To compensate for the good training, though, they’ve had to keep a small army.
Navy: Land Locked
Navy level: Land Locked
Navy Description: They would have had a navy had Oklahoma not been surrounded by other nations
Air force: None
Air force level: None
Air force description: None
Military Upkeep: 3
Economy (Base//Trade/Total/Banked): 5/2/7/2
Land Area: 2
Infrastructure: Efficient
Population Level: 3
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): None
Nation Background: Oklahoma is a relatively small power, if a power at all. It has huge potential for growth, providing they can find or buy more land. Oklahoma is mostly agriculture based, and they are severly dependent on that. If anything happened to it, their economy would be destroyed. They are wary of Portugal to the south, although New Albion is considered an ally.
 
Italy
Capital: Rome
Ruler: / Flavius Aetius
Government: Presidential Republic
Culture: Italian Culture, very nationalistic. There are still some presences of Italian people in other nations, so the the nation has some irredentistic claims. The population is mostly Chatolic, but clashes withe the Pope are frequent
Technology level: n/a
Technology description: Italy has an average tech level compared with other European nations, but it's little behind in some areas.
Army: 20 Regiments
Army Level: 6
Army Description: A simple standing army composed by conscripts, whit Infantry and some Artilley. Little use of cavalry. The army is very nationalistic and loyal to the governement.
Navy: 15 Squadrons
Navy level: 5
Navy Description: An average navy, not very advanced but not too much behind technologically
Air force: n/a
Air force level: n/a
Air force description: n/a
Military Upkeep: 3
Economy (Base//Trade/Total/Banked): 5/3/8/0/0
Land Area:2
Infrastructure: Barely Tolerable
Population Level: 2
Education: Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): Italian Gabon (1/1/3 Divisions/ Admiring
Nation Background: Italy is a nationalistic nation born from the ashes of a Imperial aristocratic puppet governement.
Today Italy is a minor power in Europe, but it has some potential, and it has some irredentist claims over a lot of territories, like part of North Italy and Sicily.
Italy currently is not very powerful economically and is largely based on agriculture, but industrialization in spreading in the country, influenced by other European nations.
 
Italy's base shouldn't be so high. Italy's economy is more than Chernigov and it shouldn't be. And the HRE somewhat excessive.
 
Italy's base shouldn't be so high. Italy's economy is more than Chernigov and it shouldn't be. And the HRE somewhat excessive.
I just counted up the special cities. Dis said that the HRE's economy should be excessive after all. But k then what should it look like?
 
Well, is it better?

Sort of. There still shouldn't be an Englishman in power, and I believe I already explained why it has a limited expansion potential.

With regards to HRE, it did suffer from an economical crisis early on, and still hasn't completely recovered; I think it would not be wholly unreasonable to say that the world as a whole is in a mild recession at the moment.
 
Italy's base shouldn't be so high. Italy's economy is more than Chernigov and it shouldn't be.
The Oklahoman economy is rather high then, being 7 + 2 banked compared to Italy's 8. Oklahoma...no. Just no.

And will reduce HRE's base econ - going down to 15. What about the other stats - technology as a whole seems rather vague, and we sort of need to fix that; and I'm just generally wondering about the other numbers, although granted in most NESes all of the stats other than the economy really don't matter. :p
 
Ethiopia
Capital: Addis Ababa
Ruler:
Government: Monarchy
Culture: Highly diverse ethnically, it has a strong Catholic religious background.
Technology level:
Technology description: Fairly modernized, with an emphasis on military technology.
Army: 25 divisions
Army Level: 4
Army Description:
Navy: 7 squadrons
Navy level: 2
Navy Description: Mainly small military boats used to patrol the Red Sea and protect shipping.
Air force: None
Air force level: None
Air force description: None
Military Upkeep: 1
Economy (Base/Trade/Total/Banked): 2/3/5/0
Land Area: 3
Infrastructure: Improving
Population Level: 2
Education: Tolerable
Living Standards: Tolerable
Confidence: Respecting
Projects: None
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): None
Nation Background: The oldest independent nation within Africa, and is also one of the most modernized. Having a strong Christian tradition, it is uniate with the Catholic Church. Traditionally falling under the Egyptian sphere of influence, it is not moving towards that of Portugal. Its fairly modernized economy and partial control of the Red Sea have placed it upon equal footing with many European nations.


I apologize for the lateness of these stats. Hopefully there are not too many problems with them, although I am sure Das can point out some. Foremost in my mind are questions about the navy, size of the army, composition of the army, and the power of the economy. Please feel free to point out needed corrections as you wish.
 
Ok, this is the edited version. Point out all the mistakes you can find.

Nation Name: Oklahoma
Capital: Oklahoma City
Ruler: Standing Bison
Government: Tribal Council
Culture: Oklahoma is fairly based on agriculture. It’s also a fairly new nation, having gotten their independence a few years ago. It has medium relations to the Mexicans to the south, and acceptable relations with Northerners, who they consider allies.
Technology level: 4
Technology description: The technology isn't as good as they would like, although once foreign influences are accepted, they shouldn't have much of a problem becoming modern.
Army: 10 native infantry divisions, 5 Mounted Divisions
Army Level: 4
Army Description: They don't have many well made guns, if any at all. Not too shabby for a not very modern nation though.
Navy: Land Locked
Navy level: Land Locked
Navy Description: They would have had a navy had Oklahoma not been surrounded by other nations.
Air force: n/a
Air force level: n/a
Air force description: n/a
Military Upkeep: 3
Economy (Base//Trade/Total/Banked): 3/2/5/2
Land Area: 2
Infrastructure: Improving
Population Level: 3
Education: Poorly Educated
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty): None
Nation Background: Oklahoma is a relatively small power, if a power at all. Oklahoma is mostly agriculture based, and they are severley dependent on that. If anything happened to it, their economy would be destroyed. They are wary of Mexico to the south, although New Albion is considered an ally. It has good potential for growth.
 
There are not any differences from normal divisions to mounted divisions in this NES...and you should't have banked EC from the start.
 
@Fuschia: Ethiopian army size seems slightly excessive to me, although that's probably just inherent conservatism. Remember that the standing army isn't supposed to be the entire army at war (hooray for reserves!); hence why the Holy Roman Empire hasn't got a 100 division+ army, for example.
 
That does makes sense. I am sure Silver can make adjustments to military size and such when he has the majority of the stats, as perspective strengths and weaknesses of the various nations will make it much easier to find exact numbers. It would be for me, anyways. ;)
 
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