Pre-SINES V-Ruleset, map, and stats

Italy's base shouldn't be so high. Italy's economy is more than Chernigov and it shouldn't be. And the HRE somewhat excessive.

Since absolute numbers aren't important, as its proportions that count, how about we leave economy and military blank for now, and then have one person go through and give all of those numbers so its semi-coherent. I'll get on the economy numbers now if you want. Just say what you want the highest economy value to be, and all the others will be worked out in relation to that.

Special cities only give distribution (as in these areas are of industrial/trade importance) not values (as one super city could match an industrial belt ;)).

@sp: :sad:
 
Sorry. I'm trying. I really am. I was never really good at history...
 
Das, what is the situation in the Flemish Congo like? Is it a brutalist state a la the OTL Congo Free State or is it more in line with a "traditional" African colony? How large is the European population there? Why is the colony so concentrated along the coast, i.e. why weren't there massive expansion efforts into the interior along the lines of Henry Morton Stanley's in OTL? How did the Flemish Congo come into existence in the first place? Similarly, what is the correspongind situation in Mozambique? In the Nigerian and West African colonies?
 
I'd be interested in Tver, what's the country like? Why is it red instead of a more traditional Russian color?

EDIT: More specific questions, for Das,

1) How did it come to control northern Russia?

2) You've mentioned a Wilhelm II-style government, is this as similar as Social Democrat control of a largely powerless "advisory" body? Are there any other political groups? How do average Tverians feel about their government, and how does the government care for them?

3) How did the Golden Horde survive, what is its domestic situation, and its relations with Tver?

4) You've mentioned its in the middle of an economic boom, how industrialized is it? Does the port on the Baltic matter much, trade wise?

5) I'm guessing from its aggressive nature and Wilhelm II thing that it has a capable army, but is it quality or quantity wise? Is the navy, with only one port, neglected like I'd expect?
 
Das, what is the situation in the Flemish Congo like? Is it a brutalist state a la the OTL Congo Free State or is it more in line with a "traditional" African colony?

More of the latter.

How large is the European population there?

Fairly small and concentrated in the coastal areas.

Why is the colony so concentrated along the coast, i.e. why weren't there massive expansion efforts into the interior along the lines of Henry Morton Stanley's in OTL?

Such expansion efforts have only become possible - and indeed started - very recently. Plus there was a different focus in the Flemish colonial policies overall.

How did the Flemish Congo come into existence in the first place?

They established some trade outposts, and alternately warred or traded with the locals. In the 19th century, with the beginning of major colonial expansion into Africa's interior, the Flemings finally got the upper hand and annexed Kongo.

Similarly, what is the correspongind situation in Mozambique?

Similar to OTL in some regards, only the Flemings had paid much more attention to the colony than the Portuguese did, and so it is more developed and has a higher European population.

In the Nigerian and West African colonies?

These have been trade outposts until recently, though now the Flemings have expanded inland, establishing small forts and subjugating local tribes, though those, as well as the King of Benin, had been able to retain considerable internal autonomy.

Why is it red instead of a more traditional Russian color?

Because red is a traditional Russian colour. :p Also, it is the background of Tver's coat of arms.

1) How did it come to control northern Russia?

It was a small, but strategically-positioned trade outpost of the Slovenian capital, Novgorod. When Slovenia fell apart in the late 11th century, Tver began its gradual ascent, and, thanks to its resources, growing population and good position, ultimately managed to reunite the north (by the late 15th century or so, actually).

2) You've mentioned a Wilhelm II-style government, is this as similar as Social Democrat control of a largely powerless "advisory" body? Are there any other political groups?

I believe I was talking more about the foreign policy. Tver is a very conditional parliamentary monarchy, actually quite similar to Britain in some legal regards, only with the monarchs having much more practical power and using what they have this much more actively. That said, there is an active Arbeitist movement that is represented in the parliament along with more traditional liberals and conservatives. However, a definite similarity to Germany is present; there is a powerful and well-developed military-industrial complex/lobby, for instance.

How do average Tverians feel about their government, and how does the government care for them?

Social programs are pretty underdeveloped (despite recent reforms), but the population is mostly loyal; central and northwestern centers have larger oppositionary movements, but government supporters are more active in there as well. The southwest has more dissidents, though those are mostly assorted separatists. Not very powerful, though.

3) How did the Golden Horde survive, what is its domestic situation, and its relations with Tver?

It survived because nobody bothered to kill it; actually it fell apart on many occasions, but has been recently reassembled yet again. It is fairly primitive and not too stable; relations with Tver are ambiguous, verging between cold neutrality and fervent Tverophilia, especially amongst the local nobles and officials who are often bribed by the Tverian industrialists.

4) You've mentioned its in the middle of an economic boom, how industrialized is it? Does the port on the Baltic matter much, trade wise?

It is very industrialised; that is to say, it does have many primitive rural regions, but the main central areas are industrial powerhouses, though their advantage might be lost soon. The Baltic ports are major outlets of trade, as are some ports on the Volga. That said, I guess that the former at least are not that much on the world scale.

5) I'm guessing from its aggressive nature and Wilhelm II thing that it has a capable army, but is it quality or quantity wise?

It is medium-to-large sized, but also pretty good, though not great.

Is the navy, with only one port, neglected like I'd expect?

Four ports, though it still has been traditionally neglected. More recently, though, the Tverians began to modernise and expand it at an impressive rate, also buying up ships from elsewhere. There be an arms race in the Baltic Sea.
 
More of the latter.
Oh?
Plus there was a different focus in the Flemish colonial policies overall.
What was the focus? More slave-trade trading posts and less actual colonisation?
Similar to OTL in some regards, only the Flemings had paid much more attention to the colony than the Portuguese did, and so it is more developed and has a higher European population.
How much higher? South Africa high or lower than that?
These have been trade outposts until recently, though now the Flemings have expanded inland, establishing small forts and subjugating local tribes, though those, as well as the King of Benin, had been able to retain considerable internal autonomy.
How powerful are the African states there? Have they modernised or are they primarily like OTL.
Also, what about the Indian and Malaysian colonies? Are they settler colonies or trading colonies? What is the amount of native unrest? have there been a lot of Christian missionary work? Actually, has there been a lot of that in the African colonies as well?
 
What was the focus? More slave-trade trading posts and less actual colonisation?

That much is probably less true for Flanders than for OTL Netherlands (as far as the early colonial period is concerned), but more true for European colonisation as a whole up to recently. In any case, I was talking more about the geography; the Flemings had only recently turned their attention towards Africa's interior, having until then focused on competing with Portugal and others in more accessible regions.

How much higher? South Africa high or lower than that?

Lower, for both.

How powerful are the African states there?

Where is "there"? The ones that are no longer independent aren't very powerful. ;) Most African states are fairly primitive, except for the ones I have described previously - Mali and Ethiopia are comparatively advanced and modernising.

Also, what about the Indian and Malaysian colonies? Are they settler colonies or trading colonies?

Such large native populations make settler colonies... unlikely. Trade and resource colonies.

What is the amount of native unrest?

Varies widely from place to place. Java and Gujarat are some of the worst places in that regard.

have there been a lot of Christian missionary work? Actually, has there been a lot of that in the African colonies as well?

Yes, lots and lots, and everywhere. Success rates vary; usually, in regions with a strongly established and organised religious tradition, even centuries of efforts had managed to create a 10% native Christian population at the most, though there are exceptions. In Africa and more primitive regions of Southeast Asia, Christianity has spread in the coastal and near-coastal regions, though it often became strongly intermixed with native beliefs and traditions.
 
Such large native populations make settler colonies... unlikely. Trade and resource colonies.

Also disease, which is why settler european colonies don't really make sense outside of the new world, australia and some special parts of africa (before very late 19th century medical technology and the actual adaption of support animals any settlement between the Atlas mountains to the Orange river will be unable to sustain its population).

@isrealite: HM Stanley, went into the centre of africa, but the areas he brought treaty control to were not very large at all, and until someone builds a railway to get past the lower reaches of the of the Congo nothing much is going to happen.
 
@isrealite: HM Stanley, went into the centre of africa, but the areas he brought treaty control to were not very large at all, and until someone builds a railway to get past the lower reaches of the of the Congo nothing much is going to happen.
Well, let's see, H. M. Stanley returned to the Congo for King Leopold in 1879; by 1886 nearly all of the modern Democratic Republic of the Congo (the 12th largest country in the world by land area) was incoporated into the Congo Free State. That seems like a significant amount of territory to me...
 
I will definately join when this goes up, anything you want me to do Silver?
 
A bump to say I will be working on this in the next few days and attempting to get it off the the ground.
 
I'm going to remove my reservation of the Kirishtan killers. (I'm still going to play in this though)

Edit: The aggressive and hated French empire seems like a good country to play. Hopefully they've been smart enough to not mess with the Portuguese.
 
Good show, NESing is a bit thin of late.
 
Finally! I've been looking forward to this for quite some time. If you need anymore help that, I have time over the next day or two that I can use for pretty much anything you need done.
 
Stats as always require work. Everything else is finished. The ruleset is there, the map is there....just stats left...of course that makes up the most time consuming aspect.

I will continue on this after I go see the new Indiana Jones movie....
 
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