Pre-SINES V-Ruleset, map, and stats

The descreptions are basically just the chractheristis and compostion of it. For instance I just have divisions and squadrons which are generic. The descreption for the army might say something like:

Heavy calvary based military with limited infantry.

Basically liek how das did it in AFNES.

Bureaucracy I've taken out. I've consolidated base and manufacturing together leaving just base and trade which make up the total.

And I've jacked some of your rules.
 
The descreptions are basically just the chractheristis and compostion of it. For instance I just have divisions and squadrons which are generic. The descreption for the army might say something like:

Heavy calvary based military with limited infantry.

Basically liek how das did it in AFNES.
Unfortunately, I was only here for the very begining of that NES, but that does make sense.
I've jacked some of your rules.
The sincerest form of flattery. :)
 
Also, I don't know TTL very well, but Portugal does look a little overpowered, particularly the trade centre at Coimbra. The existence of a major city at the mouth of the Ebro is also rather striking, especially given the existence of extremely large and inhospitable wetlands in the delta.

At this spatial resolution its rather hard to seperate Tarragona out from the Ebro.

Coimbra? Thats Porto.

EDIT: Shouldn't the Brazil equivalent be more economically powerful? Also, shouldn't the Buenos Aires equivalent be some sort of economic centree?

'Brazil' had less immigrants than the OTL (in fact the whole new world is less poplous), and less development and wealth since the Flemings have more asian concerns and holdings to focus on than OTL Portugal did.

BA is an economic centre :confused:
 
A question: As I do not see Greece in Silver's list of nations, what is the name of the nation that controls most of Greece and Istanbul?
 
It is the Urianate of Serbia I believe.
 
How is structured Italian governement?

Presidential Republic.

What's the political setting of governement and population?

The government is highly nationalistic; the population is divided between highly-conservative (though mainly republican) rural dwellers and the population of the industrial centres that is increasingly moving towards socialism.

Does the nation and population have irredentist aim to remaining northern Italy and Sicily?

Sure.

How are the relations with Sicily?

Pretty bad; there is a fairly strong underground pro-unification movement there, and the royal government is not amused.

How generally are Italian relations with other nations?

Relations with the HRE are horrible, given that Italy was born out of a rebellion against the HRE. Irredentism hasn't made it any better, and has led to further complications with Montferrat. Italy scarcely has any allies at the moment (lots of prospective ones, though), but it doesn't have any enemies other than the three already mentioned either.

How's the religious setting?

It's pretty funny, on one hand the population is strongly Catholic, as is the government, but the latter at least is frequently clashing with the Pope, even though the latter has by now agreed to renounce all territorial claims, paving the way to reconciliation.

Nation Name: Ming China

Xin Ming. Let's not forget that.

Ruler: I'd go back to the alt-hist thread and look this up, but I'm out of town; das, can you please fill this in?

It might make sense to just let the players pick those things for themselves.

Culture: The "true China." It is very nationalistic and is a sworn empire of the Qing.

I don't think that this is what silver wants to have here.

Navy Description: Ming China never had a significant navy, and it's ocean-going ships were all decimated by more advanced Japanese and Portuguese battleships.

Err... what ocean-going ships?

It has been building up its military as of late, both on the land and the sea; the land army in particular is of higher quality than you would credit it with, though that wouldn't apply to any conscripts.

Nation Background: China was conquered by the Qing, who's dynasty lasted for a long time. After a successful revolution, the Qing allied themselves with the Portuguese and Japan to reconquer China. The Ming recently rebelled again and a war with the Qing seems imminent.

That's really not how it went. See threads.

As such, Das, would you mind giving a recount of the status of Flanders and how, exactly, it came to dominate over the more northerly Dutch?

Technically, the distinctions between the north and the south were never as strong as they had become in OTL; Flanders by now is more of a general term for the entire region, not to mention, you know, the nation name. Not that there isn't some regionalism, ofcourse. Still, it was united from the time it first became independent from the HRE, and was only briefly fragmented at one point afterwards (during and immediately after the Fifty Years War).

Portugal does look a little overpowered

Portugal is much more powerful than in OTL. Lots of reasons.

The state in the Balkans is called the Tsardom of Serbo-Romea. It is [wiki]Uniate[/wiki], though not all of its population is.
 
I remember hearing Urianate for some reason :lol:
 
At this spatial resolution its rather hard to seperate Tarragona out from the Ebro.
Perhaps, but I suggest moving it, at least slightly, to avoid confusion.
Coimbra? Thats Porto.
My mistake. I mean to say Abrantes. I am referring to the industrial center inland along the Tagus.
'Brazil' had less immigrants than the OTL (in fact the whole new world is less poplous), and less development and wealth since the Flemings have more asian concerns and holdings to focus on than OTL Portugal did.
Makes sense. Even so, the absolute bare minimum of development, especially in the northeast and south-central coast, seems a little strange, especially relative to the other states of the New World (American northeast, Canadian southeast, Mexico) which are heavily developed. Also, New Orleans should probably be a trade centre far and away above being an industrial centre.
BA is an economic centre :confused:
Not quite. Buenos Aires would be placed just across the Rio de la Plata from the city marked as a capital. The industrial centre you have marked is approximately at the location of the city of La Plata, which unlike Buenos Aires is not actually on the Rio de la Plata.
Technically, the distinctions between the north and the south were never as strong as they had become in OTL; Flanders by now is more of a general term for the entire region, not to mention, you know, the nation name. Not that there isn't some regionalism, ofcourse. Still, it was united from the time it first became independent from the HRE, and was only briefly fragmented at one point afterwards (during and immediately after the Fifty Years War).
What is the current cultural atmosphere? Is it largely liberal in line with the OTL Netherlands, or more agrarian and conservative in line with OTL Flanders? Also, what is the political situation? How centralised/regional is the power structure? Do Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague, and the other Dutch cities have much influence, or is power mainly concentrated in the Flemish provinces? What is the overall governmental system? What is the ethnic/racial structure/balance in Brazil?
Portugal is much more powerful than in OTL. Lots of reasons.
Even so, the placement of special cities in the mainland and the relative proportion of special cities between Portuguese America and other territories seems...extravagant.
 
Intrude ... And so we come back to why the old map is a real pain in the arse to work with. :p
 
That's really not how it went. See threads.

(I can't stay online for too long since I'm on vacation; what did I get wrong?)

(Ming stats slightly edited.)
 
What is the current cultural atmosphere? Is it largely liberal in line with the OTL Netherlands, or more agrarian and conservative in line with OTL Flanders?

The port cities are quite liberal, but on the whole the country is noticeably more conservative than OTL Netherlands.

(I can't stay online for too long since I'm on vacation; what did I get wrong?)

The Japanese and the Portuguese had began their intrusions into China independent of the Jurchens in the 17th century. The Qing still were ultimately able to conquer northern and central China, but the south remained in the hands of the warlords, while the greater part of the coasts fell under foreign domination. The Japanese and the Qing also fought a lot, though indecisively. The more recent Xin Ming uprising had pushed the Qing out of central China, and reunited the south, also pushing the Japanese and the Portuguese back somewhat. After the Xin Ming advance was stopped and the counteroffensives failed to make any significant progress, the war more or less died out, but for some residual skirmishing.

Also, what is the political situation?

What is the overall governmental system?

It is a moderate constitutional parliamentary republic.

How centralised/regional is the power structure?

It can be described as federal, or even confederal (probably best put somewhere in between).

Do Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague, and the other Dutch cities have much influence, or is power mainly concentrated in the Flemish provinces?

The Hague (which has become a proper city much, much earlier than in OTL - you could probably understand why) is pretty important, as is Amsterdam. Still, the Dutch region as a whole is often regarded as somewhat backwater (not unlike some parts of New England in OMD, as far as I could understand), though it has greatly grown in importance since being relatively less devastated in the Fifty Years War.

What is the ethnic/racial structure/balance in Brazil?

The native populations are relatively more intact than in OTL, whereas the black population is considerably lesser. The white population is ultimately predominant, though mainly concentrated in the coastal and near-coastal regions, and mainly consists of Flemish colonists and French and "Spanish" emigres (most of whom are third generation at the least, and very divergent from France culturally by now, though not assimilated either). There are, ofcourse, lots of other minorities as well. There is little in the way of official discrimination, but the blacks (who still form a major group) still tend to suffer from the unofficial variety. Most natives aren't integrated into the society at all.
 
Perhaps, but I suggest moving it, at least slightly, to avoid confusion.

My mistake. I mean to say Abrantes. I am referring to the industrial center inland along the Tagus.

Thats an industrial centre because I couldn't make the capital an industrial and trade centre ;).

Makes sense. Even so, the absolute bare minimum of development, especially in the northeast and south-central coast, seems a little strange, especially relative to the other states of the New World (American northeast, Canadian southeast, Mexico) which are heavily developed. Also, New Orleans should probably be a trade centre far and away above being an industrial centre.

Silver wanted trade centres in blue, industrials in red, dunno why.

The American northeast is less developed than the OTL (with ~100 special cities the OTL US would have 20-23, and at least 17 in the NE rather than the 13 here).

Not quite. Buenos Aires would be placed just across the Rio de la Plata from the city marked as a capital. The industrial centre you have marked is approximately at the location of the city of La Plata, which unlike Buenos Aires is not actually on the Rio de la Plata.

The map creator in his infinite wisdom failed to put a city there, so I made do with the closest.

Even so, the placement of special cities in the mainland and the relative proportion of special cities between Portuguese America and other territories seems...extravagant.

Nah I'm pretty cool with it. 'sides turn of the century OTL brazil had only 20 million people, and an economy smaller than the Netherlands+Belgium.
 
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Nation Name: Xin Ming China
Capital: Chengdu
Ruler:
Government: Monarchy (Improving)
Culture: Neo-Confucianism with strong nationalist ideology and xenophobia. Culturually, religiously and ethnically homogeneous, strong sense of identity. Small Tibetan minority in Western provinces.
Technology level: Pre-Industrial
Technology description: Behind major competitors but modernization is occurring albeit slowly, lack of railroads, or serious industries as of yet, thus machinery and large scale production is limited. Military technology however is more advanced.
Army: 30 divisions
Army Level: 6
Army Description: The Xin Ming army is composed largely of infantry but also contains artillery and cavalry forces. The army has been invested heavily into and thus is on par with the Qing, though lags behind the Portuguese and Japanese. It is however competently lead and has strong morale.
Navy: 10 squadrons
Navy level: 5
Navy Description: The Xin Ming fleet is largely riverine, it contains gunboats meant for controlling to rivers. The fleet is relatively modernized and suited for its purpose.
Air force: N/A
Air force level: N/A
Air force description: N/A
Military Upkeep: 2
Economy (Base/Trade/Total/Banked): 4/1/5/0
Land Area: 5
Infrastructure: Pathetic
Population Level: 8
Education: Illiterate
Living Standards: Low
Confidence: Nation Personified
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty/Administration/Upkeep):
Nation Background: Xin Ming China arose as a result of Qing rule and Portuguese and Japanese incursions. The Qing conquered central China while the Japanese and Portuguese established their dominance in the coast. Xin Ming China revolted against the Qing driving them out of south-central China and managed to push back the foreigners as well before being halted. The war has died down though skirmishes and tensions remain high. The Xin Ming are driven by the goal to drive out all foreigners from China.

@goou, this is what I'm looking for.
 
Nation Name: The Grand Principality of Chernigov
Capital: Chernigov (Traditional); Odessa (Administrative)
Ruler: Prince Mstislav V/Azale
Government: Parliamentary Monarchy (Competent)
Culture:
Technology level: European Industrial
Technology description: It has been industrialising rapidly, especially recently, though agriculture still is very important in a good way. Note that the south and the east are more industrial, while the north is generally more agrarian, though it has its industrial centres as well.
Army:
Army Level: 7
Army Description:
Navy:
Navy level: 8
Navy Description:
Air force: N/A
Air force level: N/A
Air force description: N/A
Military Upkeep:
Economy (Base/Trade/Total/Banked): 5/5/10/0
Land Area: 4
Infrastructure: Improving
Population Level: 4
Education: Literate
Living Standards: Normal
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Colonies (Income/Population/Militia/Loyalty/Administration/Upkeep):
Nation Background:

I am missing a few things obviously, but is trade determined by the number of blue dots on the map? I kinda guesstimated based off knowledge das gave me.

For military descriptions you just want basic unit composition (more cavalry, less infantry, etc.) right?


I guess more questions are in order for das :p
 
I am missing a few things obviously, but is trade determined by the number of blue dots on the map? I kinda guesstimated based off knowledge das gave me.

To an extent..divide by two or something I suppose. But the economy seems ok.

For military descriptions you just want basic unit composition (more cavalry, less infantry, etc.) right?

As well as quality of leadership and anything else thats notable about the military...
 
I can make some stats, I have hours of Free time available. Just tell me which nations you want.
 
I am going to attempt the stats for Africa. As such, are there any other independent African states beyond the following: Second Malinese Empire, Egypt, Ethiopia, Nguni Empire, Rozwi Empire, Fur, and Orange State? Hopefully the punctuation rules are not violated too badly here. :p

I am going to start with the Second Malinese Empire, so here are some questions for Das:

1) From which real-life empire did this current one spring? Or are the origins of the nation more complicated?

2) Why is it still independent? Who or what has assisted it in retaining its independence?

3) How much and in what areas has it embraced modern technology? Who has been supplying said technology, if anyone?
 
Shoot away. ;)

1. How is the current army composed and how modernized (and large) is it?
2. How is the current navy composed and how modernized (and large) is it?
3. Is the racial makeup homogenous, mixed into three or four main parts, or a serious melting pot?
4. I think this might have been answered but I can't find it...what is the predominant religion?
5. Who is the current ruler?

The one thing you might want to do das, just to avoid any horrible miscalculations, is draw up a real quick-like skeleton of all the armies and navies. :p Something like...

Golden Horde: It's really big, about 80% cavalry but mostly backwards technology wise. Still very well trained even if backwards. Navy is nonexistent except for a small merchant fleet that dares to traverse the Arctic. Could be outfitted for war, but whats the point?

Then you can deal with all of the pestering at once and leave the statistical dirty work to us willing peons! :D
 
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